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The API wars: rich client apps in Java? As opposed to web apps, which he did mention? Maybe it's just me, but is it becoming more and more viable by the day?
Klodd the Insensitive
Yeah, Eclipse doesn't use Swing :)
Green Pajamas
Have you seen this?
Klodd the Insensitive
Eclipse still manages to hang for long periods of
son of parnas
Parnas Jr: do you run it under Linux? I hear the Sun JVM has some latency problems under 2.4.x Linux kernels -- hopefully more spiffy under 2.6.x.
Klodd the Insensitive
I remember, I tried Eclipse under RedHat Linux 9. I had to do some C++ coding. It was dead slow. Although, it was a bit impressive on Windows, but who needs it there :).
Green Pajamas
> Parnas Jr: do you run it under Linux?
son of parnas
Try again. Java on the client sucks. Every desktop app I've ever used that was implemented in Java has been S......L.........O...........W
AMS
On the contrary I don't meet many Swing apps that are slow. But memory hungry? Oh yeah!
Gobledigook
AMS - When's the last time you acually used a Java app on the desktop? The slow argument is really no longer valid. Memory hungry, yes. Slow, not really.
ac
I used one yesterday. It sits there. Press button. It sits there. I remind myself, this is Java. Give it a minute. I think, dumb users would probably click click and get all mixed up. I am confirmed for another year that Java sucks.
Sucking since 1995
Sucking since 1995, perhaps it's your 'APP' that sucks, not the platform it's written for. Sheesh, people don't go blaming VB every time some idiot does syncronous network calls in a single-threaded application.
Troll
I use applications written in Java every day. They are a bit slow to start up, but are fine after that -- except for occasional GC pauses.
Java Guy
The last time I've used a Java client app is the 2004 edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica DVD. While not too slow, the interface is definitely inferior to a native Windows GUI -- ugly fonts, prone to flickering, lack of the XP mouse-over indicators that I'm used to.
Chris Nahr
> you have to get the client to install a VM
"when's the last time you actually used a Java app on the desktop"
AMS
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