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Programmed Death of a Developer :-(

Well, I'm you're usual software developer, I'm 33,
addicted to junk food since 15 years ir so...

I had to do a blood test as I'm getting married soon,
the result is a total disaster :-(

I think I've oil which should run in my veins, I'm not fat but I'm full of cholesterol....

Basically I never exercise and just eat junk food,
have you been in the same boat ?

Blood test result :

Cholesterol Total : 2.78 g/l
HDL                    : 0.47 g/l
LDL                    : 1.97 g/l
Triglycerides      : 1.68 g/l

I prefer web surfing than exercising, coz I m just a lazy bastard...

But still I'm afraid to die too young! The world still need my delicate piece of code...

Megalo Cholesto is signing off

BurgerLuver & Developer
Monday, April 26, 2004

Go veggie, go veggie.

Healthy dude
Monday, April 26, 2004

Join a gym

Monday, April 26, 2004

Have to call BS on going veggie.

I've been vegetarian for over 5 years, I exercise 3 times per week, and my total cholesterol is over 240.

Monday, April 26, 2004

Of course, if you join a gym, the hardest exercise is
the walk to the car to actually get to the gym.  We go
three times per week, and that walk to the garage to
get our butts over there can be far harder than any
exercise that we do there. 

Also, cleaning up the diet will help greatly.  Take your
lunch from home - virtually anything you make will
be better than the garbage you'll buy on the street.
You'll save a ton of $$$ too...

Monday, April 26, 2004

Walk daily. I walk from work to a sandwich shop about 15 minutes away, so that's a half hour walk each day. Even if you don't walk that quickly, it can help.

I've been doing this for about 4 months now and it works surprisingly well for such little effort. I'm still not what you'd class as "buff" -- far from it -- but I'm definitely a little trimmer than I was before.

Monday, April 26, 2004

Sometimes it isn't even what you eat.  My mom is a health NUT.  She buys the fake butter with 0 cholestoral, eats like bran everything, super healthy (her whole life).  She makes my dad eat the same way, except I know he sneaks in some crap every once in a while.  Her cholestoral is over 220 and his is 150 or something.  Mine is 120 and I eat the worst crap ever.  Go figure!

Michael H. Pryor
Fog Creek Software
Monday, April 26, 2004

"Have to call BS on going veggie."

I second that call.  My dad's a vegetarian, has horrible cholesterol levels, and eventually required triple bypass surgery.

Immature programmer
Monday, April 26, 2004

If doing the gym/walking/jogging/whatever route, one simple step can make a huge difference.

Make absolutely sure that you do your full workout on Mondays. It sets you up nicely for the week and puts you in a great frame of mind. Goes for dieting and everything else. Start your week off right.

MUCH more difficult to get back into it on Tuesday if you don't.

Monday, April 26, 2004

I think the only option is get some different parents.

Monday, April 26, 2004

Vegetarian is too much of a catch all. I know PETA loving vegetarians who exist (subsist) on junk food - only the ones without animal products.

Exercise, and exercise discretion. Moderation, etc. Buy a book like Diet for a New America by John Robbins (heir to the Baskins & Robbins empire). It has enough horror stories in it about the food we eat to last a lifetime.

Better yet, start going to the beach. After a few weeks you'll make up your mind to become a surfing bodybuilder so you can get all the hot babes.
Monday, April 26, 2004

I've subsisted entirely off of sandwiches and microwave dinners for the past eight years (yes, I'm single) with no exercise, and my total cholesterol is only 172 with normal weight and blood pressure. It's got to be genetic...

Monday, April 26, 2004

Get a dog - an active dog (not a fluffy slipper). It's way too easy for two people to talk each other out of going for a walk/to the gym etc.  A dog will let you know when it's walk time and won't let you off the hook so easy, and they'll never get enough (it can even be a challenge to see if you can outlast the dog!)

Monday, April 26, 2004

I'm not sure about the US, but here in Canada there is mandatory labelling law phasing in ( that requires food manufacturers to list trans fats in addition to saturated fats.

The effect of this requirement has been staggering: Trans fats, virtually always from hydrogenated oils (which increases shelf life and are easier to handle -- it's basically vegatable shortening), have been disappearing from ingredient lists faster than you can unpack your grocery cart. Chips, cookies, crackers, you name it -- the hydrogenated oils are becoming an endangered breed. The conspiratorial aspect of it, though, is that many manufacturers (recently Pringles, for instance) are doing it with nary a mention on the packaging, and few are capitalizing on it (apart from Voortman's cookies, made here where I live, which are great cookies). I suspect that the food industry has, as a collective, been warned by their legal representatives that a tobacco style lawsuit could be in the making, and it's best to do it quietly and with conceding a mistake. The reason is that trans fats are now considered the most dangerous of fats, making saturated fats look tame by comparison. Most margarines were virtually all hydrogenated oils, and this was a primary staple in most processed foods.

Dennis Forbes
Monday, April 26, 2004

The whole "Vegetarianism is healthy" thing is really funny because it really boils down to people pushing their pseudo-religious beliefs on you.  Most of the theoretical benefits are generally on pretty shakey ground.  The last one that had me going was the whole "energy efficency" thing, but there's good counterarguments there.  I can make some great vegetarian food that's really bad for you, and so can the folks who make Doritos.

No, if you want to get yourself to better health and live for a while, you need to take care of yourself.  This is not especially hard, you just need to understand that a lot of the way your body works wasn't designed for the modern era where you aren't physically active.

I mean, it all boils down to a trade.  You can eat junk food or you can live longer.  Which do you value more?  While you are in your deathbed, are you going to be mad because you died young from junkfood and no exercise, or are you going to be mad because you didn't surf the web and have junk food too much?

The biggest way people get themselves in trouble is to figure that things are forbidden.  You can be healthy and eat junk food, you just need to eat it in moderation.

They are now suggesting that a half hour walk every day is all you really need to regain some level of health.  The trick is to find things that you like to do that will make you healthier.  Take a walk with your soon-to-be-spouse.  Go on the treadmill with a Game Boy or a tablet PC or something.

There's lots of things that will encourage you to be healthier that are still fun.  Swordfighting with foam swords, ultimate frisbee, wall climbing, paintball/lasertag, etc. are all in this category.

Flamebait Sr.
Monday, April 26, 2004


Are you under 40? 30? some people under certain age can metabolize any thing.

Sooner or later high bad cholestrol (HDL) WILL come and haunt you big time. Then you will end up downing medications left and right.

Monday, April 26, 2004

> The trick is to find things that you like to do that will make you healthier.

I couldn't agree more. If you hate going to the gym and eating tofu, it will make you no good. Take a daily long walk in the park with a friend/coworker. Try to cook something nice/healthy with your fiancee. These small steps that make you enjoy life have probably more importance than you think.

Monday, April 26, 2004

"The whole "Vegetarianism is healthy" thing is really funny because it really boils down to people pushing their pseudo-religious beliefs on you."

That's not true.

Some people choose a vegetarian diet because they think animals are fluffy and nice and cute and shouldn't be eaten. Other people choose a vegetarian diet for other reasons. I choose a vegetarian diet because when I was a student meat was expensive and I found that, not only didn't I eat it very often, I didn't miss it.

I chose to remain a vegetarian for a range of reasons. For example, I think that non-organic farming methods are dangerous (poorly regulated antibiotics use, steroids, BSE etc.) and I'd rather not put money into that system or eat that crap.

Further, I find it amusing that the poster thinks that vegetarians push their lifestyle choices on others. It's not like we're Jehovah's Witnesses, programming language advocates or US foreign policy-makers.

I don't have pseudo- (or otherwise) religious beliefs, and people who make sweeping statements about vegetarianism often show themselves to be ignorant and foolish.

C Rose
Tuesday, April 27, 2004

I'm 33 years old

Do you think I can avoid heart attack if I start exercising ?

I'm non smoker, I dont drink alchool

BurgerLuver & Developer
Tuesday, April 27, 2004

Mastarbate furiously and regularly - it is very good for your heart.

Mr Jack
Tuesday, April 27, 2004

"it is very good for your heart"

and for your prostate

Just me (Sir to you)
Tuesday, April 27, 2004

Get a bicycle.  Walking and working out are boring; riding a bike you actually get to see stuff.  Plus it's not _constant_ exertion (there's some coasting) so you can do it longer without feeling like you're going to die.

Tuesday, April 27, 2004

Please check your blood sugar as well. You sound like
a future diabetic. As other have said veggies can be just
as unhealthy.

Change your behaviour or you will get sick and die.
No smileys.

son of parnas
Tuesday, April 27, 2004

I see lots of negativity about being vegetarian, which is out of place.  There's no reason to beat up on vegetarians, okay?

That said, there are a number of reasons cholesterol can be high even without eating meat:

1. Remember, vegetarian still means you eat dairy and eggs ("vegan" means you don't), both of which contain cholesterol.  Someone might not eat burgers, but still be one of those people who puts half a cup of heavy cream in his coffee three times a day.  Or eat three-egg omlettes every day.

2. High cholesterol can be genetic.  Sad but true :(

3. Stress can increase cholesterol levels.  It's even possible for stress about getting your cholesterol checked to increase your cholesterol.

4. Trans-fats increase cholesterol levels.  This means anything that contains "hydrogenated" or "partially hydrogenated" in the ingredients.  This applies to
most junk foods: Pop-Tarts, crackers, cookies, snack cakes, etc.

5. No one fully understands what causes the body to produce high amounts of cholesterol.  Some argue that it doesn't matter if you eat foods that are high in cholesterol, but that eating lots of X causes the body to produce more, where X is "sugar," "simple carbohydrates," or some others. 

Tuesday, April 27, 2004

"Do you think I can avoid heart attack if I start exercising?"

You can greatly reduce your risk, yes.  Get some regular exercise.  Stop eating at fast food places for lunch.  Try to get whole, unrefined foods for dinner, and not just microwaveable junk (e.g. beans, grains, vegetables).  Make sure you're not overdoing the sugar by drinking a couple of sodas a day.  In short, just keep an eye on what you're eating and try to replace the bad with the good over time.  Instead of drinking three sodas a day, cut it down to one and have water the rest of the day.  Try to eliminate stress (tough when you're a software developer).

Tuesday, April 27, 2004

Don't get a dog unless you like to walk a dog. Otherwise you'll just end up with a 65-lb chihuahua like my neighbor...

Rob VH
Tuesday, April 27, 2004

ask Doc Jason how you can become healthy without any of this arcane diet & excersise stuff, you just want to be able to say "body, heal thyself".

(actually, patients probably ask for this all the time in the form of a magic pill)

Tuesday, April 27, 2004

" Otherwise you'll just end up with a 65-lb chihuahua like my neighbor... "

Do its legs touch the ground or just its belly?

When I was in grade school (grade 5 or 6) one of the kids in my class that lived on a farm had abandonded racoon babies and one day her parents brought them into class.  We got to bottle feed the babies and they drank so much milk that their bellies got so big they couldn't walk.  A 65-lb chihuahua reminds me of that. :)

Tuesday, April 27, 2004

A low-cholesterol diet will not give you low serum cholesterol. It's not what you eat, more what you body does with what you eat. Low-fat diets are basically wishful thinking.

And HDL cholesterol is less of a health hazard than LDL cholesterol, contrary to one previous poster. It's less prone to bunging up your arteries.

Moderate exercise does help. Low-level daily is better than high-level once a week.

That's about all the helpful advice I can think of right now.

Dave Hallett
Wednesday, April 28, 2004

This is one of the major reasons why I have some reservations about spending the next  5 years of my life doing more programming. I would rather meet customers and flesh out specs with clients and reps as a project manager so that I am waving my hands, jumping up and down in far away meeting rooms, doing tons of getting into and out off elevators than to sit idle all day moving little more than my 1000WPS fingers.

Li-fan Chen
Wednesday, April 28, 2004

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