The Old Joel on Software Forum: Part 4 (of 5)

US employment

I have a bachelor's in engineering from India and an MS in Computer Science from the US.
I have worked as a Systems Analyst/Programmer both in India and the US. I was recently fired from my US job very badly citing professional incompetency only after 3 months.

1.If my remove my recent experience from my CV and say that I was unemployed for that period, I would be obstructing the truth.But I feel that hiding my firing incident would improve my chances of getting hired.Is this okay?

2. Also I'm currently working in a reputed software MNC in India-what are the chances of getting a perm/contract to perm position in the US thru telephonic interviews from India? I have a green card and do not require sponsorship.

Thanks in advance.

Ryan Sil
Sunday, February 15, 2004

Wasn't this exact post question asked last week?

qu
Sunday, February 15, 2004

Oops, not 'qu'.
Just a tab and a typo and pressed 'post' before I looked.

Aussie Chick
Sunday, February 15, 2004

Ryan,
it is not unusual that IT pros work on short term contracts. So can keep the employment in your CV. You don't need to state the reason for the short term.
However every failure offers an unique opportunity to improve yourself. Analyze what happend and what lessons you can learn from that. Try not to put the blame on anyone (your employer or you), but look what expectations were created on both sides, how they were created and how they were not met subsequentially.
It could be (work) culture related. Take that chance seriously, failing to learn your lesson will impact your career much more than the three month.
Hth
:-) stw

NotesSensei
Sunday, February 15, 2004

Btw.
Our corporate policy here is to hire people only after a personal interview (how you otherwise would apply the Spolsky test requirement of letting a developer write some code during the interview). This helps us to avoid "chemical dislikes" too.
:-) stw

NotesSensei
Sunday, February 15, 2004

Yep, the OP's question was asked here:

http://discuss.fogcreek.com/joelonsoftware/default.asp?cmd=show&ixPost=112846&ixReplies=17

and there:

http://community.hotjobs.com/hj-tech/messages/?msg=4105

Dude, wtf?! Are you just waiting to hear what you want to hear, or what?

Give it up already
Sunday, February 15, 2004

Google for "Ryan Sil" returns as the #2 hit:

"But I feel that hiding
my firing incident would improve my chances of getting hired.Is this okay? .."

So you can figure that prospective employers will know about it.

Sunday, February 15, 2004

* Unless it's a joe job, in which case you are a low-down lyin' ...

Sunday, February 15, 2004

what is a joe job?

curious
Sunday, February 15, 2004

"what is a joe job?"

A way to slander someone. For example, sending spam "from" someone you dislike, or posting damaging information in a forum while pretending to be that person.

Sunday, February 15, 2004

its gotta be a deliberate smearing campaign...there is no other explanation (unless we want to accept that the OP just plain likes the attention.)

I wonder whether there is some way for us to get Joel to remove the earlier threads as well as this one.

FullNameRequired
Sunday, February 15, 2004

Got it. I agree: looks like a smear campaign to me too. These threads should be deleted.

curious
Sunday, February 15, 2004

Unbelievable:

http://forums.businessweek.com/bw-careers/messages/?msg=523.1

Give it up already will ya
Thursday, February 19, 2004

Actually here it is

http://forums.businessweek.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=bw-careers&msg=522.1

Give it up already will ya
Thursday, February 19, 2004