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Apologies if this is old news, it was new to me.

A fantastic site, containing dozens of PHP CMS systems installed with the admin password given, ready to be tried out by any visitor. Every hour they get reinstalled. Perfect way to work out which CMS to put on your pet project without the hassle of figuring out a dozen installations.

[Not trying to take sales away from Citydesk, promise!]

Adam in Poland
Thursday, November 27, 2003

be sure to check out Drupal

Thursday, November 27, 2003

We also provide a very good (recently cross platform) visual editing control that works in a browser and that is pretty much similar with microsoft word.

KTML3 - is a very powerful visual HTML editor that allows you to do anything you want in the browser:
- format text and paragraphs
- use CSS styles
- upload and manage images
- use a live property inspector to change HTML properties (image and table)
- it has a spellchecker
- works also on MACs

Read more about it at


Alexandru COSTIN
Friday, November 28, 2003

Any more adverts today?

Simon Lucy
Friday, November 28, 2003

Ive got a surprisingly handsome dog for sale.....

Friday, November 28, 2003

Why, oh why, are there so many CMS projects?

Now, I'm not one of those people who thinks that there should be only one open source project for each category. But when there are more than a dozen I get annoyed.

Bill Tomlinson
Friday, November 28, 2003

Because they all suck, and everyone knows they can do better themselves?
Friday, November 28, 2003

KHTML -- yet another "contentEditable=true" editor. Good luck selling developers something of which IE actually implements the large part.

Saturday, November 29, 2003

An regarding these CMS's -- I looked at a few, they *really are* all shit, could-knock-up-in-day, wastes of time.

Saturday, November 29, 2003

I've been using Bricolage (

It's not easy to install but very well "architected".

I always amazed how little "known" it is...

Sérgio Nunes
Saturday, November 29, 2003

Drupal is really good. No bloat, and really easy to use.

Throw in excellent content categorisation, and you have a true gem.

Monday, December 1, 2003

Why are there so many CMSs? Because CMS is a huge idea and no one can agree on what they should do. They all suck for the same reason: no one can agree on what they should do. Everyone says "This one doesn't do enough" or "that one does too much" or "this one is great but has all this extra crap." (And the free ones are all ugly and the commercial ones are way to expensive--again, because you don't need 90% of what's there.)

Everyone thinks that they could do something better in a day. As it happens, they're usually right, because they know what their own organization wants, and all you have to do is throw your content into a DB, make it searchable, and put a nice front-end on it.

And Bill T: why get fed up? Isn't it the same for all apps? How many spreadsheet apps does the world need? Mail readers? Web browsers? Word processors? Databases? Like I said, the only reason there are so many CMSs is because there are so many ways to do it. So people write one for themselves and, god damn them, they make it available to others.

Belive me, sorting through free CMSs (see topic URL) is no harder than sorting through all the commercial CMSs (sharepoint, reddot, etc.) 90% are dismissed after 5 minutes--install it and (if it works) poke around and see how easy it is to use. If it's any harder to use than Slashdot, toss it, because no one will read directions, no one has time for training, and a CMS with no C is worthless. It won't get used if it's not super-easy.

My favorite story: tried MS's SharePoint. Uploaded a Word doc from a w2k/ie6 machine. Document was munged on arrival.

null fame
Monday, December 1, 2003

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