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"Peer 1 hosts Joel on Software for free as a public service ..."

Sorry Joel, Peer 1 hosts you for free in exchange for you telling all of your visitors that you run on Peer 1.  It is a barter deal, pure and simple.

Public service?!?  I am now heading downtown to reset the firm's bullshit detectors.

C'mon ... what a load ...

Mitch & Murray (from downtown)
Thursday, August 21, 2003

Does it matter?

The point is, they stayed up.

Thursday, August 21, 2003

It doesn't matter any more or less than any other marketing lie.

Friday, August 22, 2003

Jeez, you guys take shit way to personally.

I don't care why they give it Joel, he could be rubbing the entire Peer 1 staff's feet every evening for all I care.

All that matters to me is that the size remains live.

Friday, August 22, 2003

Not taking it personally, but let's call a spade a spade.

exercising my 82 IQ
Friday, August 22, 2003

where do I sign up to sell my "public service" herbal viagra?

Friday, August 22, 2003

Salad Cream!

Friday, August 22, 2003

Any hosting center worth its salt should have been able to stay up through the blackout.  That's what a hosting does.  You buy two things.  Power and bandwidth.  They best supply both.  If our hosting center would have gone out during the blackout, they wouldn't have gotten paid.  Simple as that.  Blackouts are not an excuse.  That's what those generators and batteries are for. 

christopher baus
Friday, August 22, 2003

"Any hosting center worth its salt should have been able to stay up through the blackout...."

That's not the issue here.  Joel's making it sound like Peer1 is doing this out of the goodness of their heart.  In reality, they're scratching each others backs.

Friday, August 22, 2003

Easy on the giggle-cream!

Friday, August 22, 2003

I completely agree that it is incredibly disingenuous to pretend that this is anything other than a quid pro quo arrangement where Peer 1 offers services, and in exchange Joel pimps their greatness every now and then. Peer 1 is a great colo company for sure, but calling it a "public service"...come on.

People really serious threaten their credibility when they do things like this, as soon one has to wonder whether each statement is based in fact, or due to some form of payment. I feel the same way when I see a "This is the best book ever, and everyone and their brother should own it!" statements, and the link includes a referral (i.e. the referencer is getting paid for each copy sold). I mean if you make money on the sale and basically just reduce the profits for Amazon then that sounds fine to me, but it does put a cloud of suspicion over one's statements.

Dennis Forbes
Friday, August 22, 2003

"All that matters to me is that the size remains live."

This sounds like some kind of Freudian slip to me, but I have no idea what it means.

Jim Rankin
Friday, August 22, 2003

C'mon guys, Joel was using a relaxed language, that's all. Don't take it literally.

Leonardo Herrera
Friday, August 22, 2003

Better question:
What should Joel (or anyone else in a similar situation) say?

No mention of the price paid? (Peer 1 is our host.)
Claim they are a sponsor of some form (Peer1, our hosting sponsor... sounds bad for a commercial company).
Something more business like, 'our hosting partner'?

All of these have advantages and drawbacks.

Friday, August 22, 2003

Peer 1 might be offering a public service, but it is
a relatively inexpensive one.

Some cheap share hosting companies are offering
50GB bandwidth for less than $10.  Also, Peer 1
do not have to pay for the server or offer technical

Bandwidth is cheap but tech support is expensive!

Amour Tan
Saturday, August 23, 2003

You think Joel will sell his soul for some cheapo
bandwidth.  Nay!

Amour Tan
Saturday, August 23, 2003

"Peer 1 might be offering a public service, but it is
a relatively inexpensive one."

Uh, have you ever shopped around for co-location arrangements? Co-location with high bandwidth and 50GB/month is thousands of dollars per month at most locations, or more.

Anonymous Cowboy
Sunday, August 24, 2003

Interland's self-managed dedicated server is offering
500GB bandwidth for $79.

Amour Tan
Sunday, August 24, 2003

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