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How many of you are Certified?

Any certification, SCPJ2, MCSD, CompTIA, Novell, Solaris, ...

How many of you are certified and in which Product?

Prakash S
Monday, January 7, 2002

None, but it has zero relevance to my career.
I do computational physics.

Robert Anderson
Monday, January 7, 2002

None, and I like to think that it has zero relevance to interviewers at every company I want to work for.

Johannes Bjerregaard
Monday, January 7, 2002

I've been told im certifiable.

Tuesday, January 8, 2002

Microsoft Certified Professional. - VB6 Desktop and SQL Server.

Sun Certified Java Programmer.

Lotus Certified Specialist - Lotus 123.

I'm also halfway towards my MCSD.

My first certification was for 123, and it made a huge difference in the job market.

My MCP qualifications enabled me to make the transition from help desk support to real programmer 2 years ago.

Ged Byrne
Tuesday, January 8, 2002

No certification here, but considering to become
Java certified Programmer. Then again, I know I
can write jave and feel quite reluctant to spend
time for such a thing.

René Nyffenegger
Tuesday, January 8, 2002

None - and care less for it although it does help when applying for a job. Company's beleive that been certified your the man. Nothing against it, but come across lots of 'Certified' people and honestly they should be 'Certified' to stay out of the business. :))))))

Nigel Soden
Tuesday, January 8, 2002

MCP here. I did the MS 70-029 database design exam. While the exam was pretty tricky, I don't really count the certification very highly.

Tuesday, January 8, 2002

Does a MSc in Aeronautics count?

If not, I'm out of luck, but then again I'm my own boss, so who cares ;-)

Jan Derk
Tuesday, January 8, 2002

Certainly not.
I already went to university for years, already I have two certificates called "degrees", how many pieces of paper do I need?
I think we've already covered the issue of certification on an old thread.
The mere mention of it makes me feel all bitter and twisted and kind of sour, I need to stop thinking about it before the rage builds into something ugly and uncontrollable.

Tuesday, January 8, 2002

I was in the very first wave of MCPs, then MCSE, MCSD, MCDBA. It's helped part of my career - BUT the writing part, not the development part. Despite working for MCP Magazine these days, I maintain some healthy cynicism about the whole certification racket. I think it's possible that there is a higher chance that, say, an MCSE will know how to solve an Active Directory problem than a non-MCSE. But there are plenty of incompetent MCSEs and competent non-MCSEs (substitute certification of your choice there), and I know of no attempt to do a good vendor-neutral study of the issues.

For developers, I suspect certification is most useful if it gives you a way to focus on learning a particular area well -- or if you want a job where certification is a prerequisite of being hired (yes, there are such jobs).

Mike Gunderloy
Tuesday, January 8, 2002

I was one of the first 1000 'new track' MCSDs (have the plastic 'trophy' to prove it).  Took both VB6 test (after using VB for about 4 months) and the MFC (VC5) test in addition to the one required test.

Of course, i was let go by that job less then a month after getting the certificationn - there weren't finding any jobs. I'm now programming C++ on Solaris (and am much happier). I'm actually only an MCP now, the MFC test expired and I see no reason to take another.

Interestingly enough, when I interviewed for my next job noone was interested in my MCSD. I didn't expect the Unix jobs to care, but a lot of the companies with Windows jobs didn't even know what it was!

Jeff Pleimling
Tuesday, January 8, 2002

I've never been a big fan of certifications, though it may be because the only widely-recognized certification tracks are for sysadmins, not developers.

Still, I may go out and get one sooner or later, depending on what MS does when they revamp the MCSD program for .NET. If they come up with a reasonable straightforward exam path for a web developer-type, I'll probably go for it.

Dave Rothgery
Tuesday, January 8, 2002

I'm well aware of the limits of certification.  For me, however, it has provided the following benefits:


It offers a track into development for those of us lacking a degree.

Programming has been a career goal of mine since leaving school, but without the money to pay for a degree it was closed to me.

Microsoft Certification gave me the step into development.  Now my employer is paying for me to study a Msc part time.

I think that certification is useful indicator of aptitude rather than ability.  It certainly is no substitute for a degree.  I find mysel lacking vital knowledge almost every day.


It provides a useful focus for learning a new product.

I found sutdying for the SCJP very useful because it gave me an incentive for learning the language.

It also made the me learn the language throroughly.  Left to my own devices I would have learnt lots about swing without knowing a thing about threads.


It helps in transition from one platform to another.  Programmers with years of experience in a vendor specific technology have a means of transfering their skills to something more marketable.

Ged Byrne
Wednesday, January 9, 2002

I was a 3Wizard, I suppose technically I still am :-) but that was the last certification I ever went for. 

When I was responsible for such things I did push forward a Certification for third party developers of a product but it was always clear to me that it was a separate revenue stream and a way of locking developers in.

It was only secondarily, if at all, about quality or maintaining it.

Simon Lucy
Wednesday, January 9, 2002

I guess the others are not certified or care much abt it!

thanks all.

Prakash S
Wednesday, January 9, 2002

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