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Joel loves to write about what he's working on...

Joel writes about FogBugz.

Joel writes about his books.

Joel writes about social-software net seminars.

Joel never writes about CityDesk 3.0.

This used to bother me. I wanted CityDesk 3.0 RIGHT NOW, thanks. Then I realized that I don't want a web site of static XHTML pages, I want something more like (only not in Java, not so buggy, etc., etc.).

So now I'm trying to find something like that, implemented in PHP 4.x with a MySQL back end (since that's what my web hosting company provides), and in my spare time trying to figure out how to get my two-thousand-page web site back out of CityDesk. (It certainly was a painful process getting it *into* CityDesk.)

I'll look at CityDesk 3.0, if it ships; but I don't expect it to be useful for my purposes. (Unless all this social-software chatter from Joel means CityDesk 3.0 will be a very different beast than 2.0 was.)

drawoC suomynonA
Tuesday, November 30, 2004

I had been toying with Citydesk for a long time now to replace a sit eI had with extensive pages (online magazine/community). The backend was all custom written php stuff that my partner did.

We looked long and hard at citydesk but realized at the end there is zero support and innovation.

We are going with e107 ( - php + mySql, easy to set up and sutomize, FREE, with a huge developer community.

Good bye and thanks for the dreams citydesk. It could've been nice..

Tuesday, November 30, 2004

Have a look at Mambo Open Source. It's not too bad, and has a decent component/module architecture so you can create any specialised features you might need. It's all PHP and MySQL.

Darren Collins
Tuesday, November 30, 2004

I used a server-side system for a couple of years. I switched to CD about 18 months ago and haven't looked back since, not that Back-End was bad, it was a fine system, but you have to be vigilant with backups of the mysql database and your development is on your live site (unless you set up a test site elsewhere).

With an application like CD you can develop locally and you don't have all that php code to contend with (always thinking about something may break or be insecure).

But then again I can't argue that the well developed server-side cms are quite a bit more functional than CD, but I am seeing coders releasing scripts and programs to work with CD occasionally.

Ron Lane
Wednesday, December 1, 2004

Mambo looks interesting, thanks for the tip.

drawoC suomynonA
Wednesday, December 1, 2004

>> We looked long and hard at citydesk but realized at the end there is zero support and innovation.

Where do you get the idea there is zero support, every time I have had to contact fog creek I have had excellent support, way beyond what I had expected.

Tony Edgecombe
Thursday, December 2, 2004

What many CityDesk users are looking for is some sign that CityDesk hasn't been abandoned - that there will be a CityDesk 3.0, someday.

In mid-2003, Joel said, "CityDesk 3.0 will ship by year's end." It didn't happen. The deadline came & went, and Fog Creek had nothing to say about it.

Three months into 2004, Joel said, "Yeah, we missed that deadline." Then he changed the subject and started talking up FogBugz.

What we have here is the anti-Osborne effect: Adam Osborne killed sales of his current product by saying too much too soon about the next one; Joel hasn't said anything about CityDesk 3.0, which is the same as saying there never will be a CityDesk 3.0.

drawoC suomynonA
Friday, December 3, 2004

I was curious whether inquiries at the FogBuz forum illicited any response.  I clicked on first 2 threads and both were replied to by Michael Pryor.

First was something technical, second was 'Hey we need some info!'

This is the Response:

'We'll definitely have some info soon!  Thanks for your patience. '

Nuff Said?

Friday, December 3, 2004

>In mid-2003, Joel said, "CityDesk 3.0 will ship by year's >end." It didn't happen. The deadline came & went, and >Fog Creek had nothing to say about it.

Maybe he meant: 2004 year end


john cesta
Tuesday, December 7, 2004

When i look at the topics in this forum and the newsitems on the citydesk site it seems that the only people that are working with or on citydesk are the users.

Newsitems about:
Telepark templates

I guess FC is using the users as there best advertisement, but doesn't give anything in return.

One of the six
Wednesday, December 8, 2004

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