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Joel on Software Dinner in Rome

I know that Rome empties out in August, but if any Joel on Software readers plan to be there on Monday, August 16th, it would be nice to get together for dinner.

If you can attend, please add a comment here! Also, if you can suggest a good restaurant to do it -- please suggest one here. Ideally it would be an informal place where everyone can buy their own food.

Joel Spolsky
Fog Creek Software
Sunday, July 25, 2004

Oh!! You will be so close to the city I live! It's Thessaloniki, Greece. Unfortunately, I have already planned my vacation and on the 16th of August I will be in Halkidiki. This is also the period of the Olympic Games.

If you would ever be interested in visiting Greece, I would be happy to arrange a gathering for you.

Petros Amiridis
Monday, July 26, 2004

Uh, I live in Rome but sadly I won't be here in August.

Here's a link to some restaurants:

http://www.cross-pollinate.com/concierge/frameset.asp (click on "rome guide" on the left menu).

Francesco De Bortoli
Monday, July 26, 2004

I live in Milano, so alas Roma is a long way to go for dinner. Unfortunately, like Francesco has posted, almost everyone will be on holiday. Did you not say you'd be in Umbria? You might find more people on holiday (Ligurian coast, Umbria, Toscana)  close enough to meet up if none can in Roma.

Obviously it's usual for groups of friends to split bills in restaurants. And it's relatively cheap to eat out in Italy.

Try pasta (spaghetti usually) cacio e pepe (sheep's cheese and pepper), a roman speciality. Makes my mouth water thinking about it :)

el
Monday, July 26, 2004

Why dont you conduct something in the emerging markets?
The best place I could suggest is Chennai(my place).  One of the biggest Software development city next to Silicon Valley Bangalore.

Mohan
Monday, July 26, 2004

I live in Montpellier, south France (quite short plane hop from Rome, or a long and way cheaper/enjoyable train ride), so if you decide to do a Joel in Europe tour going through Greece and France, I'd definitely take you out for a nice dinner or two - along with your boyfriend and/or anybody else travelling with you.

Emmanuel
Monday, July 26, 2004

Unluckily you are too far for me. If you decide to come to Castiglione della Pescaia... (http://www.castiglionepescaia.it/indexeng.htm).

Anyway try Ar galletto (http://www.deliciousitaly.com/argalletto.htm) it's near one of the most beautiful squares of Rome: Piazza Farnese (http://www.maporama.com/affiliates/kataweb/share/Map.asp?SESSIONID=%7BE33DF64B-2447-46C9-A5D6-8C4CC44748D8%7D&NavigateHeight=46&NavigateWidth=46&XgoClickMap.x=180&XgoClickMap.y=141&ClickMode=1).

I've been there, brought by some Roman friends and it's very good.

Marco Bertini
Monday, July 26, 2004

Hey Joel,
When do you plan to come to Israel?
Great places to go here... ;-)

Eldad

Eldad
Monday, July 26, 2004

Came back from Rome just a week ago... Wonderful place. Probably the most charming in the world.

david
Monday, July 26, 2004

Rome isn't empty in August - there mightn't be many Romans but it will be full of tourists, wondering why every second shop is closed.

If only I'd known sooner ... I'm flying back from Italy on 16th August and was half-thinking about coming back via Rome. Still, if I miss my 6:30am train to Bologna...

MugsGame
Monday, July 26, 2004

just to make this suggestion list complete: Why don't you consider to have a meeting in Berlin/Germany? In case you do, I'll can recommend very exciting locations there.
;-)
best regards
Stephan

Stephan Voigt
Monday, July 26, 2004

I strongely recommend paris, loads of great places to go to, and interesting people to meet.
You know how french are: arrogant, argumentative, smart and exposed. You should include paris in your trip, you won't regret it.

Inandjo Taurel
Monday, July 26, 2004

Joel, you are welcome in Bulgaria too!

read-only mode disabled
Monday, July 26, 2004

If you ever make it to Tokyo, I would be glad to take you to dinner!

Matt Van Horn
Monday, July 26, 2004

Hi Joel:

Perhaps YOU are will be on vacation in Rome in August, but sadly, 99% of people here in Europe is ALSO resting overseas in August...just like you :-)

If you can move the date a pair of weeks forward I think you can have more attendees and I WILL BE THERE TOO!

I live in Barcelona, and I´m sorry about the rest of the world...but whenever you want a succesfull meeting just come here and enjoy the stay (I can lend you my little Hyundai for you to trip around...)

regards,

JP

JP
Tuesday, July 27, 2004

Right, well I'll be in Rome, and I even live in Rome. I seem to be the only person so far for whom that is true. 

Let's organise dinner - I know a few nice places - and we can swap stories about xp and myths about software productivity gains. There are plenty of tourists it's true, but think about it - Rome's been a tourist destination for 2500+ years. Its part of what it's all about. I live in a part of town called Trastevere, which is filled with tourists (foreign and Italian) and plenty of interesting locals too. Good friends.

Anyhow, I can book a place if you let me know more details or we see how much interest we get.

Cheers,

Nigel

Nigel Snoad
Tuesday, July 27, 2004

JP, you're right about Barcelona :)

Daniel Daranas
Tuesday, July 27, 2004

Daniel: let Joel and Nigel enjoy their meeting in Rome. As far as it goes, the full attendance can arrive to Joel´s dinner there in the typical local vehicle... Nigel can you drive a Vespa? I hope you both can get down here to Barcelona so we can arrange another gathering. If you spend like two weeks or so visiting the Mediterranean seaside villages, we can have a real full of people meeting here in Catalunya the first week of september. This is my first and a half year leaving here, and I almost couldn´t believe it last summer when everybody left me alone a full August pretending I was working. Workers here start planning their vacation about half of January and even doorbells and phone ringers get stuck and rusted because of "summer hibernation" (Joel please don´t get mad because of my english...I´ve spent half of my life after english classes without practicing a lot...)

JP
Tuesday, July 27, 2004

I've been in Roma and Firenze last week. I have no words to explain it: you have to see it, Joel. But be warned: it's hot. And I'm from Seville (50 Celsius Degrees this week), so I'm used to breathe fire :-).
I've gain 4 Kg. after visiting those nice restaurants. Be warned again.

By the way, if you plan a holliday trip to Spain, go to Barcelona (a nice city), but you HAVE to visit the most beautiful city in the word: Seville.

Greets

Diego Freniche
Wednesday, July 28, 2004

In no way did I intend to question that Rome is a great, alluring city. It may be a tad hot in August though, but this also happens in Barcelona. I'm willing to head for Helsinki or somewhere around for my holidays, just for a break...

Daniel Daranas
Wednesday, July 28, 2004

Can you do it in Vienna?

Thanks and Regards

Marco Avila

Marco Avila
Wednesday, July 28, 2004

Folks,

so many beautiful and wonderful places! I'll definitely be heading to Barcelona soon. But as for Joel in Rome - if he's still coming though then I can suggest that we get everyone who's interested (even if it's just Joel and I :-) together at a place called Sora Margherita in the centro historico. I've got to check if it's open (half the bloody places in town close down in August). Otherwise there are places nearby that are open.

Sora Margherita
Piazza delle Cinque Scole 30 (06 687 4216). Bus 23, 63, 280, 630, 780, H/tram 8.

Nigel Snoad
Wednesday, July 28, 2004

Joel-

I would love to meet in Rome. I'm in Austin, TX right now, but I will be in Europe at the beginning of September, in my home in Amsterdam. I haven't bought the ticket, so maybe I can change my plans.

Hey, why don't you come to Amsterdam. You can stay with me and my wife (geeks x2). There is lots of software development going on in Amsterdam.

I'll post here later if I can make the Rome trip. But it will be easier for me if you push out the date, or move it to Paris, Belgium, or Amsterdam. Ideally, for me, we would do dinner in Amsterdam in mid September.

Subcommandante Marcos
Wednesday, July 28, 2004

Do you plan to visit Poland ? I think you have never been there..

Michal Szymanski
Wednesday, July 28, 2004

Well, let Joel visit Rome.
He'll visit all of you in Spitzberg,  Patagonia or Syldavia later.

Pakter
Wednesday, July 28, 2004

Forgot the ;-)

Pakter
Wednesday, July 28, 2004

I'm heading back to the states after a year in italy, and I'm coming through roma, so i'll be there the night of the tuesday 17th. I've been a lurker for a while, and i'd love to meet up but there's no way I can get there on monday - I'll still be in portugal :) :)

If you wanted to push the date back by one though, I could make the group 3 :)

Matt Maurano
Thursday, July 29, 2004

Just to add to your list of exciting places to visit, why not Cork, Ireland.  My parents run a cookery school and Country house hotel, so thats sorted, we could even put you up.

Your vacation calendar is going to be full for the next few years :)

Toby

Toby Allen
Thursday, July 29, 2004

lived 2 years in rome up to last august when i had enough. un casino incredibile ;o) food is super though. service non ce. ppl will make an effort to rip u off. but thats rome.

in the center not too far from termini in the district san lorenzo. many ok places in that area. a student 'funky area'
IL DITO E LA LUNA Via dei Sabelli 51. Tel. +39 06 4940726
closed sundays

or if you are not bound by city limit go out to Frescati (commuter train from termini - to xpensive with taxi) and have the view of rome by night
Frascati Belvedre
+39 06 9419004

as noted rome is seldom empty and august especailly painful - heat and tourists. i left for spain. make a stop there and i join next time.

erichetto castellocastello
Friday, July 30, 2004

Greetings from Testaccio,

I am living for Sicily tomorrow and I 'll be back the 16th afternoon. I'll enjoy very much being a guest/host  of/for this dinner.
See you then.

ciao

Manuel La Rosa
Sunday, August 01, 2004

I'll spend a few days in Italy in mid-August and I'd be happy to join you in Rome on the 16th.  Please keep us informed about the friendly restaurant where we'll enjoy Italian cuisine !

Pakter
Sunday, August 01, 2004

How about Columbus, Ohio

Andrew Theken
Tuesday, August 03, 2004

Man!!! Not only I'll be in Rodes on the 16th, but I tried to find airplane tickets to Rome for the 18th or 19th and there were none available :-( Are you sure it empties on August?
Since you'll be in the Mediteranean area, if you would like to come to Athens for the Olympics you and a friend can come and stay at my home :-) I live VERY VERY close to the Olympic stadium (~10 min walk). I hope you will not mind our 2 babies (2.5 & 1 years old). They are fun :-)
I'll be back in Athens on the 18th of August, so anyday starting with the 19th will be fine!
If you want to arrange a JoS dinner in Athens, then I'm your man too!!! I know some exquisite places (view of the Parthenon and great food), and I know lots of people who would be VERY VERY interested to meet you in person.
I'll be able to check my email again on the 5th of August, so you may let me know by then if you intend to come to Athens! Cheers!

Dimitris Staikos
Tuesday, August 03, 2004

I live in Rome, and I'll be there on 16th August. I would like to attend to the dinner. Let me know how to organize ...

ciao

Giorgio
Wednesday, August 04, 2004

Let it be Amsterdam and we'll take you on a canal tour, architecture tour, red light district and singing in pub tour  or whatever tour you want.

The city even has a new logo: I amsterdam - first 3 characters in red, the rest in black - what do you think of that!

Ruud van Soest
Monday, August 09, 2004

I'm only a short plane hop from Rome, but unfortunately I can't make it on the 16th.

Hope you'll have a great time.

Just me (Sir to you)
Monday, August 09, 2004

I won't be there, but I just noticed you'll be staying at a Boscolo hotel... I'm not sure if you've ever stayed in one before, but about a year ago I stayed in the Exedra in Rome and it was a great hotel - I really enjoyed it; you probably will too! :)

Ian Sefferman
Monday, August 09, 2004

So far, that makes five people, so I guess we don't really have to book.
Maybe a few Romans will come back and check JOS next Monday, and join us ?

Pakter
Monday, August 09, 2004

No booking then - we'll turn up and meet with our own possible places, argue gently for a while, try a few, find that the first two are closed, and like any decent person here, be very happy with where we end up!

See you then.

Nigel
Thursday, August 12, 2004

Hi Joel,

This sounds like a good excuse to vacation a few days in Rome (I'm in London).  I'll be at the dinner with one other person, and am staying in the Aleph Hotel starting Saturday.

I've read Joel on Software for years, and am looking forward to an interesting discussion.  I also own a small software company, and am faced with many (but not all) of the same challenges as Fog Creek.

  http://www.hamrick.com

Regards,
Ed

Ed Hamrick
Thursday, August 12, 2004

Joel,

When you have finished eating your way around Europe, come down to Australia and we will "chuck a shrimp on the BBQ for you"

Rob

Rob Davies
Thursday, August 12, 2004

Dang!
I was doing my jobsearch, and I found out about Joel Spolsky's site only about 2 hours ago and started reading articles. Then I found out about the dinner in Rome. Wow! I am in Italy, only 1 hour away from  Rome, and I like dinners, BUT ...today it's August the 18th...

Best compliments anyway. I hope you all enjoyed the time and the meal.

Alessandro
Wednesday, August 18, 2004

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