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interesting FAQ on 'Trusted Computing'

I stumbled across this today and found it a really good read.....Im interested in knowing what others think about it :)


http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html

FullNameRequired
Thursday, July 22, 2004

After reading that, I'm concerned that this guy also thinks that TC will kill his dog and run away with his girlfriend.

Greg Hurlman
Thursday, July 22, 2004

That one is a reasonable post about TCPA, or Palladium, or NCGB or whatever the stuff will be called next week. One of its key selling points is that viruses won't run on that system: which is totally false one bothers to rtfm.

What it boils down to are a couple of key points:
The person/company who controls what runs (or doesn't) on your machine is the owner of that machine. That person/company should be the one paying for the computer: not you.

Every computer, every piece of harware that can take digital audio/video and every program will have to have their own digital certificate. Revoke that cert, and the hardware/software won't run. Yes, even your loudspeaker and webcam will have to have their own certs (tcpa version 1.0 specs).

Documents created by that computer will have that computer's serial number embedded in it. So to make someone disappear down the memory hole, you merely publish a revocation cert for their software. That way, no one can read that document. This point will be sold to businesses as making it impossible for employees to use company computers to be whistleblowers. This point will be sold to the public as claiming "we can make it so that if a movie/song is pirated, we can revoke that pirated movie/song so that no one in the world can listen to it." Or as they like to frame all piracy in terms of kiddie porn (because the phrase stops people from thinking when used), "we can make it so that an illegal picture of kiddie porn cannot be viewed by anyone." Oh, my, think of the children!

Based on microsoft's handling of security, I predict that someone, someday, will make a SuperDuperSlammer virus that will revoke all the certificates on your machine, rendering it a useless piece of hardware.

Peter
Thursday, July 22, 2004

And when nobody buys any of this new hardware, what happens?

Wayne
Thursday, July 22, 2004

Its all very reminiscent of the chipping of faxes.

In the end, a security system that is too powerful is simply a disincentive.

Simon Lucy
Thursday, July 22, 2004

It's all very Orwellian.

War is Peace.  Freedom is Slavery.  Draconian Piracy Controls are Security.

Like Palladium, the KGB went through lots of name changes too.  Cheka, GPU, OGPU, NKVD.

HP's Carly Fiorina at CES Vegas, Jan 2004:  "Just because we can steal music, doesn't mean we should. ... It's illegal, it's wrong, and there are things we can do as a technology company to help. And here is what HP intends to do."

Carly, Ballmer, who are your customers?  Who is paying for  your stuff?  Is it the people you're aiming to control and restrict or is it Hollywood?

Hollywood: the last frontier for the unimaginative MBAs directing a computer industry based on planned obsolescence that has reached the end of the line for massive recurring revenue?

Felix Dzerzhinsky
Thursday, July 22, 2004

>And when nobody buys any of this new hardware, what happens?
They will outlaw your old stuff. They try it every few years. Trying to pass some law that would make it illegal to sell or buy things that digitally record music which don't include SCMS or whatever new digital restriction mismanagement technology is the apple of their eye this decade. I have some music synthesizers that can never be made compliant with those sorts of laws. I had (until it broke) an answering machine that could never be made compliant with those laws.

www.freedom-to-tinker.com usually has something to say when those sorts of bone headed laws get proposed.

Peter
Thursday, July 22, 2004

Its spelled NGSCB
but pronounced New Secure Data Access Protection

THE APEMAN
Thursday, July 22, 2004

I like the part about your computer being told to delete files... Some hacker will figure out how to tell your computer that everything from MS is fake and your computer will wipe your hard drive :)

Or every now and then MS screws up and tells every computer in the world that Company XXX is sending out pornography when it's really a buisness app. Opps, so sorry.

Steamrolla
Thursday, July 22, 2004

What will likely happen is that new music and movies will start to come out in two formats, one that works on traditional players and one that does not.  The stuff that doesn't work on old players will come with cool add-on features not available on the old format media.  Also, the older style media will probably not have posters, lyrics, and other cool stuff - the packaging itself will just become crap.  Then there will be music and movies released only in the new format, no old style copies, but only the radical ultra-cool music/movies.  Then they will taper off production of old style media.  They will also dramatically curtail production of cd and dvd players at that point.  You'll buy the new hardware because if you don't you won't be able to easily listen to new music or watch new movies.

Then there will be a demand for the ability for the average consumer to be able to record media for personal use that plays one the new players.

Then someone will hack the readers and writers and the whole cycle will start all over again.

Aaron F Stanton
Thursday, July 22, 2004

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