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Prince II - Project Management

Our company is going to adopt the Prince II project management metodology.
It is a system used by the UK government among others.
Official PRINCE2 website: http://www.ogc.gov.uk/prince/
Commercial PRINCE2 website: http://www.prince2.com/

Do anyone have any experience with Prince II ?
What is good, bad ?

King II
Monday, June 21, 2004

Is this the project management system formerly known as Prince?

<Ba-doom ching!>

Neat Chi
Monday, June 21, 2004

At least with a forum that requires membership, you know when a new guy signs up to spam, and when an old poster has a legitimate question.

It must be expensive, you can only get it by submitting your contact info, and there's nothing about pricing on the website.

I'm just curious. What projects has a prince ever had to manage? Unless you mean Machiavelli's.

www.MarkTAW.com
Monday, June 21, 2004


Each time a post contains a URL it does not
always means that the poster had the intentiontion to spam the JOS forum.

Holy shit, guys stop acting like assholes ...

Spermy
Monday, June 21, 2004

Did not feel like using my real name for this. I'm an old JoS member. My question was to *current/former* users of this Prince thing.
If you don't use it/know it, I don't see a point responding.
I currently do not know more than the information on the homepages which is, well not much.

King II
Monday, June 21, 2004

MarkTaw: it's not particularly expensive, and I can't imagine why anyone would choose to promote it.  The manual is a government publication in the UK, I bought it about 5 or 6 years ago for about 45UKP.

As for Prince2 itself, just remember that you don't have to create *ALL* the documents!!  Prince2 and ISO compliance go hand in hand for creating an audit trail.  The manual basically lists all the steps, all the documentation standards, and the rationale for them, in a big-ass A4 binder. 

Konrad
Monday, June 21, 2004

Take a look at some of the users of PrinceII listed here?
http://www.ogc.gov.uk/prince/docs/prince2_users.ppt

The public failures of some of these organisations IT projects does not inspire confidence.
    
For example, Post Office Counters:
http://management.silicon.com/itdirector/0,39024673,11019173,00.htm

Ged Byrne
Monday, June 21, 2004

The manual says how to do the documents, it doesn't say what a stupid thing to do in an IT project is, nor does it say how to mitigate risks, calculate budgets etc...

Konrad
Monday, June 21, 2004

If the documents don't serve to avoid stupid things, mitigate risks or calculate budgets then what are they for?

Ged Byrne
Monday, June 21, 2004

This is such a classic question!  Thanks!

AllanL5
Monday, June 21, 2004

"If the documents don't serve to avoid stupid things, mitigate risks or calculate budgets then what are they for?"

They're to show you have a "process" and a "paper trail" so that you can get ISO certified. That's all they look for, they don't care if you read them or not.

And the ISO certification is sometimes required to bid on certain contracts, or it's a marketing tool.

That's all, everybody knows it's stupid though.

Skagg
Monday, June 21, 2004

The documents are there to help manage a project so some basic 'You must have carried out a feasibility study', etc, etc can appear.  But just like ISO9001, ISO9001(2004) what they document is mostly what you did, not what you should do, or should have done.

Simon Lucy
Monday, June 21, 2004


Well spoken Spermy! (Joel ?)

BioNicFartz
Monday, June 21, 2004

So, to answer KingII's original question:

good: You get to bid on government contracts.
bad: It is a complete waste of time.

[Glares once again at his wage slip, resenting the income tax deducted from his wages.  In what other ways do they waste it?]

Ged Byrne
Monday, June 21, 2004

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