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Absolute Confusion with Windows 2000

Ready for a total confuser?!?!

First off, I reasonably good with computer - understand them (most of the time!!) Can kinda work out they're thinking etc.

I put a CD with some data bits on it today, there were various things including a few programs, folders - the usual disk. I wanted a particular program that i knew was on there - checked it on another computer before and after. In the window, it listed all the files, except the one I wanted - a .exe, there were also a couple of other folders missing from within other folders, every other file and folder in the opening window was there. There is also a discrepency in the size of the disk, on this computer it ways 416 meg (with the file missing) and on the other computer it is 475 meg. Any ideas??

Another, extremly weird thing - which makes me think its not a virus - the disk I was using wasn't closed after writing so it could be added to later. I know that open disk can only be read in a CD-writer, but the disk wouldn't open in my CD-writer, but it would in my normal CD-ROM drive, which is the slave.

Any help??
I cant understand this at all - really doesn't make any sense to me!!

Cheers

Chris Crawshaw
Sunday, May 09, 2004

Did you check the file Properties to see if they are Hidden?

Tom H
Sunday, May 09, 2004

I think directory sizes can be different even for the same set of files if the filesystems they are stored on are different. (due to different wasted space characteristics)

Dan Maas
Sunday, May 09, 2004

yeah, i checked the file properties - "don't hide hidden files and folders." Even so they shouldn't be hidden. Interesting, the disk was written on xp pro, and in on windows 2000, could this be a factor? The disk was written using nero, which is also on my computer. The difference in size of the disk from one computer to the other is about 60 meg, and the application is 35 odd meg, and I dnuno what the size of the folders are, but could well be 25 meg difference - a coincidence? Also, I thought a CD would have a set limit of 700 meg (or whatever that particular CD is) so would it change if it viewed on a different OS? Also, as it is still open, you can add more to the CD, but not take stuff away - so surely the size can only increase!

I am so totally confused now - take me back to the stone age!!! :s

Chris Crawshaw
Sunday, May 09, 2004

"I am so totally confused no"

hey chris, what kind of software development do you do?

FullNameRequired
Sunday, May 09, 2004

Two words: corrupt disk?

Almost Anonymous
Sunday, May 09, 2004

This has occured to me when using VMWare. VMWare would see one version of the disk, and the host OS would see a different version of the disk.
The disk was burned but not closed, and had files added later.
For some reason, VMWare only saw the first session, and the host OS saw both sessions.
Unfortunately, i haven't been able to figure out a fix for it, and had to reburn the disc in one session.

GD
Sunday, May 09, 2004

I'm not a softwarre developer - student. Do you have to be to use this forum? I came across it on google and thought I'd ask!

corrupt disk? possibly, but its happened on 2 disks today - with the same program.

I tried using my mp3 player along a USB cable, similar to a removable hard drive. It was zipped up, I tried copying it and it said it couldn't read source disk or drive, or something similar. the I changed the file extension to .dat, and it still couldn't copy, and wouldn't open from where it was. I could copy other files from it as well - I just dont understand it!?!?!

But why did the 'open' disk load, to some degree, in the CD-ROM drive, and not the CD-writer???

Chris Crawshaw
Sunday, May 09, 2004

I shall check later (I didn't burn the CD) but I think it was done in one session, and the second CD, the first session had the .exe missing from a folder, for the same application. The zip of the application was added to the CD later, which didn't appear in it either, so you could be right there.

Chris Crawshaw
Sunday, May 09, 2004

"Do you have to be to use this forum?"

nah, I was just interested cause you didn't sound like a developer.

This is JoS, a forum specifically dedicated to providing good, useful windows support gratis as a sign of our love.

Are there any other issues we could help you with?

FullNameRequired
Sunday, May 09, 2004

"Are there any other issues we could help you with?"

Well, actually, there was this girl the other day, but . . .

only joking!

Could it be a problem with windows installer or explorer, cos other applications haven't opened in the past, and i always assumed it was because they were to old for windows 2000.

I've heard there is a way, when you install a program, you can tell it, when it opens to open in a windows 9x setting to allow older programs to be used on a new OS. Is this just for windows xp, or can I use it on 2000 without using an emulator?
Did that make sense? think my brains been fried!

Chris Crawshaw
Sunday, May 09, 2004

Ok, just found out, the original disk was burnt in one session, and was closed. I was only the single .exe that i couldn't detect and the folders nested within others. The second CD was burnt in several sessions, and I could only see part of the first session, I viewed the disk after each session, and could only see part of the first session

I'm even more confused now!

I wouldn't have noticed on the first CD, but out of 78 objects on the disk, its the single thing I want from it, trying very hard not swear!!

Chris Crawshaw
Sunday, May 09, 2004

This is boring Chris. JOS is not a tech support forum for users.


Sunday, May 09, 2004

ok, can you suggest another good forum where I may be able to get an answer?

Chris Crawshaw
Sunday, May 09, 2004

dudes, cut the poor guy some slack.

I think it is a fairly valid problem which software developers should address. That data on the same CD be readable in some apps/filesystems/OSes and not others is a design problem.

Had a similar problem with winamp and a Nickleback CD today.

Winamp only sees the video. Windows media player sees everything. Windows CD player (the standard one) sees the audio files.

A non savy PC user would assume that the CD does not play on the computer if they had winamp set up as default on their machine. The data is there.... surely as software developers we can do better than this.

Tapiwa
Sunday, May 09, 2004

"That data on the same CD be readable in some apps/filesystems/OSes and not others is a design problem.
"

agreed, but its a design problem at a lower level than most of us ever deal with.

<g> personally I blame microsoft and their everchanging filesystems.

but either way, chris should be approaching the actual people involved....find those third parties and ask them why their software dont work.

or, failing that, find a general purpose user forum and post there.

but _please_ check it out first and make sure its an appropriate place to post...thats just plain politeness which is kind of important if you expect the forum users to help you out.

FullNameRequired
Sunday, May 09, 2004

and the pot says the kettle is black ....

http://discuss.fogcreek.com/joelonsoftware/default.asp?cmd=show&ixPost=71227

Tapiwa
Sunday, May 09, 2004

"and the pot says the kettle is black"

heh. 

I also dont complain at all when regular posters ask similar questions....I guess at some level I make a distinction between regular posters and people who just find the forum on google and post their questions without stopping to think about whether its appropriate.

The first case is relatively uncommon, the second seems to be happening increasingly often.

ah well...just the other day I was getting annoyed at the # of posters criticising the posts of others for being off-topic, or just plain stupid.

maybe its just time I learnt to keep my own mouth shut :)

FullNameRequired
Sunday, May 09, 2004

> ok, can you suggest another good forum where I may be able to get an answer?

No. Why should I?


Sunday, May 09, 2004

++Had a similar problem with winamp and a Nickleback CD today.++

Well, if you´re listening to Nickleback then you´ve definitely got problems ;)

MusicSnob
Monday, May 10, 2004

Yo music snob.  I will let them respond on my behalf. Very apt.

Never made it as a wise man
I couldn't cut it as a poor man stealing
Tired of living like a blind man
I'm sick of sight without a sense of feeling
And this is how you remind me
This is how you remind me
Of what I really am
This is how you remind me
Of what I really am

It's not like you to say sorry
I was waiting on a different story
This time I'm mistaken
for handing you a heart worth breaking
and I've been wrong, i've been down,
to the bottom of every bottle
these five words in my head
scream "are we having fun yet?"


(no hope for me is there)

Tapiwa
Monday, May 10, 2004

Dear Chris,

Please do not mention "girls" on this forum, as you may excite some of the cubicle farm primates who dwell here.

one meeeellion dollars!
Monday, May 10, 2004

And PS, for all your robotron Q&A technical question needs, you can use large communities like

USENET: http://groups.google.com/

TEK-TIPS: http://www.tek-tips.com/

I use 'tek-tips' for my dumb troubleshooting questions
Monday, May 10, 2004

Dear Chris,
                Varying explanations come to mind here. First of all I am presuming it was a CD/R disk. Now every time you open and close a session you use up about 13MB so if you have one disk that has been closed after the first session, and another one used for multiple sessions you will find the amount of free space to be different, despite the fact the data they have may be the same.

              Then there is the fact that sometimes when you copy an .exe file the file copies and sometimes only a shortcut copies. I can'r remember exaclty what sequence triggers what behaviour on what OS but I do know the difference exists.

              Then there is the problem that if you have an external USB drive sometimes the power it gets through the USB port isn't quite enough and that can trigger all kinds of strange behaviour.

                Then you get the phenomenum that one machine is not that good at calculationg the amount of free space taken on a network drive on another machine, and then there is the fact that different file systems will give different sizes, thoough that should only affect small files.

                So the basic answer is, unless you have a specific problem, don't sweat it.

Stephen Jones
Monday, May 10, 2004

Re: Nickelback

http://www.nintendorks.com/brandon/temp/nickelbacksucks.mp3

a
Monday, May 10, 2004

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