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Hackers too?

I'm curious.

All of you here are most likely software  developers. How many of you would consider yourselves to be hackers as well? By "hackers" I don't mean Richard Stallman or Paul Graham, I mean 2600, Phrack, Emmanuel Goldstein, Phiber Optik, etc?

Alex
Wednesday, March 10, 2004

You mean "crackers", i.e. computer criminals?

Nope, don't do any of that stuff. I have enough trouble getting my OWN computers to do what I want, let alone somebody else's.

Chris Tavares
Wednesday, March 10, 2004

Sure, I did that stuff. You know, then I grew up and decided it was pretty stupid to risk jail just to avoid paying for a call at a pay phone.

Brad Wilson (dotnetguy.techieswithcats.com)
Wednesday, March 10, 2004

haha, so true brad.  We did a lotta that stuff in high school.  A couple of my good friends got caught changing attendance (they weren't as careful as the rest of us).  They got suspended.  Once we turned 18 and are out of high school, the rules change.  Its not worth risking jail time for a prank, when you could spend the time doing something productive.

vince
Wednesday, March 10, 2004

Obviously, you haven't used the product I develop.  ;)

Still a hacker . . . always will be.

Steve
Wednesday, March 10, 2004

I have a bad cough and my golf game sucks. So
yes, i am a hacker.

son of parnas
Wednesday, March 10, 2004

Please, no messages about golf until all this snow has melted.

Thank you for your kind consideration.

Nigel
Wednesday, March 10, 2004

"Please, no messages about golf until all this snow has melted."

Bah, we play golf year round in Denver. It was 75 yesterday when I was running errands. :)

Brad Wilson (dotnetguy.techieswithcats.com)
Wednesday, March 10, 2004

Guy in the cube next to me did a year in the pen for cracking an NSA box. He's a social reject.

Sassy
Wednesday, March 10, 2004

Sweet jesus, you still have snow? It was 87 degrees on the way to work today. 

SteveA
Wednesday, March 10, 2004

Sigh. Yes, there's still a foot of snow here.

Or should I say 30 cm?

Nigel
Wednesday, March 10, 2004

I used to crack various systems, but it's mostly repetitive work, so I outsourced it to India. Now they do the cracking and tagging and just send me status reports so I can tout my 733t status.

Philo

Philo
Wednesday, March 10, 2004

I cracked into your inbox Philo.

Us 733ts outsource for free.

Nigel
Wednesday, March 10, 2004

Actually that's interesting.

Where do you draw the line?

Say a friend of mine develops something in c, leaves it listening on a socket on his home machine (say on dsl), gives me the source and I find a buffer overflow, i'll probably write a little exploit or DoS (if it isn't important or he isn't showing anybody...) and probably leave him a diff to stop that buffer overflow. It's playful joking.

I made a little php site in work lately and was under extreme pressure to get it done (like in the next 30 minutes type of a thing) and move onto something else. I totally forgot input validation (well, enough), so somebody placed a url redirect in there. I found that funny, while using it later I was redirected to a site on input validation in php.

If I didn't know these people, I'm sure they wouldn't like what I was doing, same goes the other way around. Anyway I think you'll find a huge percentage of people who would be in the clue how to do such thing, simply send in a diff to fix the problem and forget about it. The only person who would even see themselves as this type of a 'hacker' is a script kiddie (I mean 99.999% here).

It really depends on where you would draw the line.

fw
Wednesday, March 10, 2004

We did phone phreaking back when I was 10 years old. How else were we to make 12 hours of prank phone calls to Saudi Arabia, Bulgaria and Cambodia each and every night during summer vacation?

Never did any cracking though. Didn't seem anywhere near as entertaining as the prank phone calls.

Tony Chang
Wednesday, March 10, 2004

i've always considered myself a hacker for the forces of good.  i've developed consumer-focused, shrink-wrapped products as well as various nifty stuff for the government.

dir at badblue dot com
Wednesday, March 10, 2004

Does sticking a straw in the payphone to make it refund the money and still place the call count as cracking?

Nope, well I guess I never did any hacking.

But I did think the hackers movie was really cool at one stage. 12Mb of RAM was a screamer of a machine that laptop was....

Actually, I didn't do the phone thing either, I actually got cranky at my friends and told them off for being unethical.

I am a real straight person.
My dad has wondered out loud at the fact that I manage to turn corners....due to me being a very very straight person.

Aussie Chick
Thursday, March 11, 2004

Decades ago you had to as a student since you were not "allowed" on the fancy mainframe (this was before PC's where commonplace) as firstyears, and even later you did not get enough of a CPUtime budget (yes, you only got the few seconds they deemed enough for class assignements) to do anything interesting.
What can I say? Youth, and times were different.

Just me (Sir to you)
Thursday, March 11, 2004

If someone "calls him/herself a hacker" it's a sure sign they aren't. It's a title you can only give others. And it doesn't count if it doesn't come from someone who is it.

;)

Jonas B.
Friday, March 12, 2004

'By "hackers" I don't mean Richard Stallman or Paul Graham'.
Then learn English and use a different word.
(Tip: the gutter press isn't how you learn English).

Jon Hanna
Monday, March 15, 2004

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