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Organize Against Off-Shoring

Organize
Raymond Donald Pairan Jr.
Copyright (c) 2004 All rights reserved.

INTRODUCTION
It’s now imperative that all workers organize to stop the business/political elite (hereafter referred to as the Controllers) from realizing their objective of total control of our governments and future. Every effective resistance to more powerful forces starts with the few but ends with the many.

ORGANIZED WORKERS
The Controllers are attempting to demonize the worker’s resistance by labeling us as Anarchist’s when in actuality where all just average individuals just thrust into events not of our own choosing. The swirling tide of inequity is forcing workers towards action – not any innate desire to disrupt. It is far too convenient for the Controllers to label the worker’s resistance has an Anarchist attempt to dislocate established government. What the Controllers are attempting is to maintain the divisions or erect new divisions between average citizens through the labeling of specific segments of society that are opposed to their plans of complete global domination. Fissures that can be made divisions create distractions and divisiveness where community of interest should exist.

All workers have community of interest in halting the implicit destruction of our rights and forms of governmental redress. The workers resistance must break the attempts by the Controllers to label us has Anarchist’s because even if our numbers swell small fissures of doubt will become canyons of acquiescence if their labeling attempts succeed. In order for our cause to succeed it must be abundantly apparent to the average worker that we are not resisting laws and actions just to engage in some form of deviant activity. We must be viewed for what we represent not for what the Controllers want us to represent. This can only be accomplished through making it transparently apparent that we are the average citizen workers and not some radical subversive element bent upon disrupting for the sake of disruption.

PLAN ACTION
Organized labor needs to unite behind one banner of worker resistance against the Controller’s. All workers regardless of profession (blue collar, white collar, etc.) need to rally behind this ONE organized front. We need to start planning now for peaceful marches that should commence in the summer months. Small gatherings of worker’s here or there are not effective at conveying the mass dissatisfaction boiling within our global society. The marches required are mass demonstrations of worker anger that inspire other’s to enlist in our struggle for freedom from the tyranny of future oppression. Thousand’s should be rallied not hundreds because numbers convey strength while the few just convey mild dissatisfaction. Keep in mind that the Controller’s first order of business will be to discredit en mass demonstrations through ‘divide and conquer’ techniques of demonizing those involved. If given the opportunity they will label those involved as Anarchist’s bent upon the destruction of all norms of civil government. We must not let them play this hand because if they can play it successfully it will mean the total disregard of our cause by those not yet committed.

THE MARCH
Many marches can be realized but their needs to be one extremely large march upon the centers of government (in the case of the United States – Washington). The ONE organized labor front should place groups of worker’s together by profession within the demonstrations. It should be easily discerned by an average individual that the marchers are not disorganized rabble bent upon violence and destruction but workers from every walk of life expressing their passion for freedom from a future Controller dominated world. Each sub-group within the demonstration should have a sign that is larger than the rest that clearly indicates what profession they are representing. Every worker that is representing a profession should be dressed in the garb of his or her profession (their working clothes). In effect, programmers could carry their PC notebooks, doctors dress as doctors (with their stethoscope if possible), mechanics wear their work clothes complete with grease, airline pilots wear their uniforms (hats and all), and every worker from every imaginable walk of life that can be represented should be represented. When marching upon a capital city it is imperative that the march begins further from the area where the march will end in order to prevent the Controller’s from stopping the march by not allowing buses within the area. We may also gain much needed additional press coverage from a march that moves over a longer distance and those viewing the march may join their respective profession sub-group within the demonstration as the march progresses thus increasing our numbers once we reach the focal area of the march.

THE BREEZE IS BLOWING BUT A GALE MUST COME FORTH
The existing structures of organized labor must be utilized effectively to plan, instruct, and lead a newly formed single organized labor front against the concerted well-directed Controller’s. Simply amassing numbers in protest against the Controller’s will be ineffectual because unless those worker’s not yet committed to our efforts can identify with the marchers at any level they will presume the Controller’s propaganda that those marching are Anarchists to be true. Remember for the cause to be effective those not yet committed must be able to identify with those already committed. If the worker’s marching are viewed as outsiders by those not yet committed they will become outsiders simply because of how they’re perceived. The goal should be to build from a ‘breeze’ of support to a ‘gale’ of resistance to the world envisioned by the Controllers. A world where the average worker is mere chattel to be manipulated, coerced, and used by the Controllers for their own best interests is not the world of freedom that we envision for our children.

Raymond Pairan Jr
Sunday, March 07, 2004

What should the ladies of the night be repesented by?

Stephen Jones
Sunday, March 07, 2004

OP sounds like a wanker from the World Workers's Party.

Cry about off shoring all you like.  It's like trying to stop water from seeking it's own level.  It's not like "hey if we make it tougher to off shore they won't.

OSS is going to keep you from making money as a programmer too, it's just that off-shoring is more effective at achieving that.

Find a way to make a living with what you have where you are.  If you can't be a software developer any longer, waaahhhh.  The industrial revolution displaced many workers before you too.  What makes you so special?

Mike
Sunday, March 07, 2004

Do the Controllers ride in black helicopters?

Rick
Sunday, March 07, 2004

"Copyright (c) 2004 All rights reserved"

How do you copyright something that you've posted to someone else's forum?

Nick
Sunday, March 07, 2004

Also, have any of you worked in a union shop?  I have as a manufacturing engineer. We had 5 different unions, each with their own agenda, and each with their own contract time periods. 

The plant would shut down every year for re-negotiations with one of the unions. And, every productivity improvement was fought tooth and nail by at least one of the unions.

The parent company finally just closed the plant and moved the entire operation offshore.

The moral: short term job protection leads to long term job loss.

Nick
Sunday, March 07, 2004

"It's not like "hey if we make it tougher to off shore they won't."

Not true.

It's called "fair" trade.  If they want to sell to us, then they have to maintain certain labor standards.

I.e. If you want to sell sneakers to us, then they can't have been made by 10 year old kids working 70 hour weeks.

Note that I'm not necessarily in favor of "fair" trade. I don't know if it's a good thing to impose our labor standards on other countries.


Sunday, March 07, 2004

> OSS is going to keep you from making money as a programmer too, it's just that off-shoring is more effective at achieving that.

We wrote a really cool, widely used OSS application. The theory has been that instead of making money from the program, we would make money from providing customer service, so we did that. It worked, just barely for the first year. But then, another company started drastically undercutting our service and modification support. To compete, we would have to pay our customer support people far far less than minimum wage. How did our competitors do it? They have all support being done overseas.

We've fired all our staff who developed the software and have outsourced too. We're still not doing too well. Open source coding is gooi for those who benefit from it, but is seldom of benefit to the creators.

Open Source Fan
Sunday, March 07, 2004

The OP has his heart in the right place but obviously doesn't know much about any of these issues, and thus comes across as a bit wacky.

His central premise is correct - professional people and workers are being deliberately screwed by groups that benefit from doing that. It's not as simple as assigning labels though.

To the poster who condemned unions, let me also point out that unions are the reason you get holiday pay, that you get paid every week or month even if the boss doesn't feel like it, and so on. They're also the reason your 10 year old children don't work in factories.

In many other countries where there have never been strong unions, such as India, 10 year old children do still work in factories. Plenty of jerks think that's fine as long as it makes them richer.

x
Sunday, March 07, 2004

"unions are the reason you get holiday pay, that you get paid every week or month even if the boss doesn't feel like it, and so on"

As an independent contractor, I pay for holidays, vacations and insurance myself and I wouldn't have it any other way.

I represent myself as an individaul when negotiating with prospective clients.  Giving that up to any group could only hurt me.

No! No! No!

fool for python
Sunday, March 07, 2004

"As an independent contractor, I pay for holidays, vacations and insurance myself and I wouldn't have it any other way."

You miss the point.  The reason a company pays you "X" as a contractor is because they pay "Y" to their employees.  If they could pay "Y/2" they would pay "X/2".  Now you can claim: "You would not take the work" or "there are other clients"  but if the entire system took an"X/2" approach you would be as impacted as the workers.

As a consultant you are all ready seeing this as rates continue to drop as you are competing with off shore rates of US/10.

Anonanonanon
Sunday, March 07, 2004

"How do you copyright something that you've posted to someone else's forum?"

How can you not? Unless you specifically place it in the public domain, or assign the copyright to someone else, you automatically own the copyright to everything you produce.

Sum Dum Gai
Sunday, March 07, 2004

NB: Emphases mine.

<quote author="Mr. X">
In many other countries where there have NEVER BEEN STRONG UNIONS, such as India, 10 year old children do still work in factories. Plenty of jerks think that's fine as long as it makes them richer.
</quote>

Do re-confirm your views. Should you still believe in the lesser, or in fact no, strength of Trade Unioins in India and prove it so, I may have to undertake a drastic and perhaps mortally dangerous step, such as slashing my wrists to wake myself up.

Regards

KayJay
Sunday, March 07, 2004

KayJay, you've had unions, but they've not been powerful or effective. Most people in your country get screwed.

x
Sunday, March 07, 2004

I had the opportunity to interact with folks from other countries.  Countries like Netherlands have very strong unions.  Those unions are powerful because they are rational.  They know that they can not survive without business being successful.  Management also know that they can not survive without viable, skilled, and happy workers.  This was born out of a long history of unity on many fronts, tolerance of all type of people, and more.

So they all work together with a common goal -- success for everyone.  Thus Netherlands are doing just fine with Unions.

But this country is NOT Netherlands.  There is a sense of 'everyone out for themselves."  In every industry, unions have conspired to cripple businesses who does not follow their ways.  Steel factories here in Pittsburgh struggles to survive and be efficient due to their huge pension plans which the Unions are so prideful about.  And that is just a start.

Those who are delusional to think that basic manual labor deserves to be ever-present, and highly-paid, will find themselves without a job due to the failure of the company in its inability to improve efficiency in face of competition.

Unionizing programmers will cause the same effects to occurs.  I do NOT want to standardize my pay with the huge sea of crappy coders out there.  They do not deserve to be paid as much as I am.  They do not deserve to have a JOB.

They are lucky that India workers are not much better than they are.  But there are a growing circle of experts.  The more experts there are -- the less crappy coders there will be.

That is exactly why I am not worried.  I just keep ahead of the masses.  I do not need an Union to 'help keep my job.'  Hell, my job depends on the lack of unions to be possible (Unions HATE contractors).

T.J.
Monday, March 08, 2004

Well said T.J.

I couldn't have put it better myself.

David B. Wildgoose
Monday, March 08, 2004

"unions are the reason you get holiday pay, that you get paid every week or month even if the boss doesn't feel like it, and so on"

This is true.  Worker safety laws, 40-hour work weeks, and minimum wage laws are all due to the efforts of organized labor.  I know I'm thankful for the historical changes in labor practice driven by the early 20th century labor unions.

But the unions can't keep on resting on 80+ year-old laurels.  Today unions are large, bureaucratic, and have known ties to organized crime.  They resist changes in ways that make businesses sluggish and irresponsive.

I think the time for unions has passed.  They were wonderful for what they did 8 decades ago, but now they've outgrown their usefulness.

Nick
Monday, March 08, 2004

I'm sure it's been said in this forum before, but it bears repeating: Wages alone are not the reason that jobs move to other countries. It's productivity per dollar. If an American earns 10x as much per hour as an Outer Mongolian, but produces 12x as much product, it is more economical to hire the American.

Having said that, American unions must change themselves, or become extinct. I've worked in union shops where you had to deal with reams of bullshit work rules. One of them was an auto plant which has since been scheduled for closure by Ford. IMO, the union leaders bear a lot of the responsiblity for the loss of those jobs. Their members were in competition with lower-wage labor from other countries, but instead of trying to help them be as productive as possible (i.e. keep their jobs), they dug in their heels over every little detail of the contract. Surprise, surprise. Ford decided to close the whole plant.

I think they call that "cutting off your nose to spite your face."

Rob VH
Monday, March 08, 2004

the only type of workers unions help are lazy workers....

apw
Monday, March 08, 2004

"the only type of workers unions help are lazy workers...."

Then you can give up the benefits unions won for you.  the 5 day 40 hour work week and paid vacations and sick leave are just part of what you must give up. 

Krag
Monday, March 08, 2004

I hate Trade Unionists!

Feel like pulling out my baseball bat and doing a number 6 on the OP.

Tapiwa
Monday, March 08, 2004

http://bastiat.org/en/protectionism.html

Tapiwa
Monday, March 08, 2004

"Then you can give up the benefits unions won for you.  the 5 day 40 hour work week and paid vacations and sick leave are just part of what you must give up.  "


Looks like the left and unions did a good job brain washing you....

I prefer to let my work ethic and productivity do the talking when it comes to negotiating benefits....

apw
Monday, March 08, 2004

Krag --

How convinent that you ignore my post and try to attack the easy targets.

Unions in America have contributed to better working environments.  But they were not the only ones.

Plus their contributions are done a LONG time ago.  Look at Netherlands!  The Unions there are contributing to a better work environment by constantly adjusting to new way of living.  American Unions are basically stuck in the age of iceboxes and hand-cranked cars.

T.J.
Monday, March 08, 2004

Yes, unions are proud of the pension funds and other benefits they've earned for workers. Without the totally unreasonable demands of unions, there would have been no pension funds.

People in Europe enjoy legislative enviornments that respect individuals more, and thus unions work in a co-operative environment.

People in America, Australia and India work under governments that believe managements should get all the rewards, and thus unions in those countries encounter massive government and management resistance.

Contractors in IT are really just casual workers these days. A lot of your income is siphoned off by recruiters; you can be sacked any time. Please don't tell me you're an "independent contractor." You're a sucker.

Call me Bill
Monday, March 08, 2004

"if the entire system took an"X/2" approach you would be as impacted as the workers."

Yes, I accept that that may happen but y/2 is still double x/2.

"As a consultant you are all ready seeing this as rates continue to drop as you are competing with off shore rates of US/10."

That may be the general case. My rate bottomed out 9 months ago at half what I was getting in 2000.  Very few opportunities then. Much better now.

fool for python
Monday, March 08, 2004

to T.J.:
"  I do NOT want to standardize my pay with the huge sea of crappy coders out there.  They do not deserve to be paid as much as I am.  They do not deserve to have a JOB.

They are lucky that India workers are not much better than they are.  But there are a growing circle of experts.  The more experts there are -- the less crappy coders there will be.

That is exactly why I am not worried.  I just keep ahead of the masses.  I do not need an Union to 'help keep my job.'  Hell, my job depends on the lack of unions to be possible (Unions HATE contractors). "


Just my two cents.Just a warning .
I am not pro-union,  I am pro-people. This is true there are a  lot programmers , who does not  have abilities to work in this field. Economy , demand created this situation.  But, nevertheless, outsourcing is bad for all, but CEO. It is just a beginning of  Exodus...
You sound very arrogant.  It is good that you managed to be ahead of masses and expect that only "crappy coders" will be replaced. There is  a sea of intelligent ,experienced and highly educated and hardworking  programmers who will work for a small fraction of your "Contract" pay.  There is a big competition, you probably were too busy to notice. 
I am not  talking about indian programmers. Those ,who I used to work with were average or less than average .
I am talking about  waves , that are waiting in Europe ( Russia especially).  They beat you up, believe you or not.
Just  wait and you will have enough to think and worry about.

LI
Wednesday, March 10, 2004

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