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Anyone know of any good software out there to do the following:

* An alternative to MS Outlook
Is Eudora dead? That's really the only one I can think of. Do you guys know/use other ones?

* Bookmark management
I am a bookmark junkie. I have hundreds of them, but keeping track of them a'la IE is a horrendous job. How do you guys do it?

Your suggestions may include commercial software as well as shareware and freeware.

Thanks!

entell
Saturday, March 06, 2004

I use Eudora!  It's not dead yet... 

Almost Anonymous
Saturday, March 06, 2004

I use the Mozilla mail client - it suits all my needs just
fine.

x
Saturday, March 06, 2004

mutt user here. Command-line mail clients aren't for everyone, but fine for me :).

Dan Maas
Saturday, March 06, 2004

I prefer Outlook Express to Outlook.... It is quicker ....

Liam
Saturday, March 06, 2004

What are you looking for in an email app that isn't in Outlook?

Greg Hurlman
Saturday, March 06, 2004

Mozilla's Thunderbird package is very nice. It's very similar to the Mozilla mail component, but because it doesn't carry all of the Mozilla backage it is very fast. I've been very happy with it, and in general I don't like GUI mail clients.

Clay Dowling
Saturday, March 06, 2004

>What are you looking for in an email app that isn't in
>Outlook?

Greg,

There is nothing more I am looking for. I just don't like Outlook 2000. Outlook Express is no better either. They are clunky, too many features and such. It also seems to crash a lot on me. I use the e-mail account my ISP provides me. Half the time Outlook doesn't realize it when new e-mail arrives. Sometimes it thinks the same e-mail is new twice or more.. It is just a silly app. I use it because it came with MS Office 2000. I was too lazy to find and install anything else, but I am very fed up with it at this point.

entell
Saturday, March 06, 2004

Pegasus Mail is a reasonable email program that's free. It claims to store your mailboxes in Unix MBOX format, so you should be able to switch to something else if you don't like it. (It has its own proprietary format too, but there doesn't seem to be any obvious way of getting this exported, so beware.)

I've been using it at home for about 18 months, and I used an earlier version about 8 years ago when I was at university. It's been trouble-free, and Norton Antivirus works with it.

It does have a clunky UI, however, and a few cosmetic problems when scrolling messages and message lists. And when there were email problems with my ISP, it downloaded all my messages about 10 times each. And your mail filtering rules sometimes have to be set up twice -- once for your inbox (for future mail) and once as a general set to use to clear out any mail currently in your inbox that you want filtered.

But other than those, no major complaints.

One feature it doesn't have, which I find useful in Outlook, is a way to quickly get to the message you sent in reply to a message in your inbox. But it will at least tell you whether you replied, which is (for me) the most important thing :)

Insert half smiley here.
Saturday, March 06, 2004

You *might* want to check out this: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/04/157219&mode=thread - grated, it's a /. thread, but at least you're guaranteed to have everything but Outlook discussed as a viable solution.

Greg Hurlman
Saturday, March 06, 2004

I've been looking at Columba ( http://columba.sourceforge.net/ ) for a long time now. My company uses outlook, and that's what I use, but I'd definitely like to give Columba a try.

If you do get a chance to check it out, post back here with your opinion.

Benji Smith
Saturday, March 06, 2004

Another vote for the Mozilla family of mail clients.  The only thing it won't do (yet?) is schedule integration w/exchange servers.  There is a calendar app, but its not compiled in by default.

For just email use, mozilla mail rules are much more useful, and the spame filtering - while not perfect - works reasonably well.

hoser
Saturday, March 06, 2004

Have you considered Oddpost?  It provides a web-based email application that does a good job at emulating Outlook, without all of the extra fluff.

http://www.oddpost.com/

Robert Jacobson
Saturday, March 06, 2004

Thanks for all the suggestions! I'll give them all a try as soon as I can. I really can't wait to throw Outlook out the window.

There seems to be no suggestions for a bookmark manager though. You guys don't use them? Don't know any?

entell
Saturday, March 06, 2004

I've not seen any bookmark managers.

Every now and again, I copy my favourites (with Explorer, not the dreadful IE bookmark "manager") into a new subfolder of the favourites menu. I copy those I know I'll use often back into the real favourites, for easy access.

Any new ones I add into the main favourites. I also copy more from my backup into the real list as and when I need them.

Then I repeat the process when the favourites list gets too large. It works surprisingly well. It's amazing how few I actually visit :)

Insert half smiley here.
Saturday, March 06, 2004

I couldn't find any bookmark managers either. I was planning to write one up, but not sure if it is worth the time. I think it is for my own use at least, but don't know if anyone else would care about it.

entell
Sunday, March 07, 2004

entell,

As far as a decent bookmark manager is concerned, I recommend that you visit a few shareware websites and while there doing a search for bookmark managers. There are so many on the market you really need to download a couple of them and try them out for yourself. I also recommend choosing a bookmark manager that allows you check for valid URLs since URLs have a tendency to die over time.

One Programmer's Opinion
Sunday, March 07, 2004

I have about a thousand bookmarks.  I spent two days coming up with a system and organizing all of them (good chance to look at a lot of them too).

I have a system that I find logical.  If another folder is closely related on a practical, but not strict systematic basis, then I create a shortcut to that folder from where I am at.

Brian R.
Friday, March 12, 2004

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