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For anyone who has had success with Monster.com I'd like to know if it makes a difference what format your resume is in: Through their "resume builder," "plain text" or MS Word.

Thanks.

Joey B.
Monday, February 16, 2004

I spoke to an HR person about a monster.com resume I sent, she said no matter what form you put it in, it is sent to them in a form that results in a 10 page printout. No matter how long or short your resume is or what format it is in she said it winds up being really long when printed from monster's system.

This is also why she is very happy when the employee brings many copies of their resume in original format.

Jeff
Monday, February 16, 2004

I showed up for an interview from monster, and I was appalled at the printout they had.  I had taken great pains to put my resume on monster in a nice format and all that.  the version they had was a plain text version with words wrapping onto separate lines.  It was awful. 

I got the job, but from that point on I always brought/bring a couple fresh copies of my resume to an interview.

nathan
Monday, February 16, 2004

Usually I'm contacted and asked for my resume in whatever format they want.  The information you enter at Monster is really just a way for them to find people with the right buzzwords.

Anonymous
Monday, February 16, 2004

My key to success was to edit my resume every day. Apparently HR types basically go to Monster in the morning, do a "new resumes in the last 24 hours" and use that list.

So by opening my resume, adding a space (then taking it out, putting it in and shaking it all about) each day, I was always on the list.

Oh, and I always do my resume work around 4-10am. Post/edit starting at 4am (so my stuff is most recent), then look for resume listings from about 5/6-10 (picking up the early morning job postings and replying immediately)

It kept the phone ringing...

Philo

Philo
Monday, February 16, 2004

Thanks for the tips Philo, that's something I'll have to keep in mind.

Lou
Monday, February 16, 2004

Excellent advice, Philo.  Thank you very much for making me wade through TONS of redundant search results because of morons like you.

Why on Earth do you think those who're looking for talent deserve to be cheated this way? If I want just resumes posted today, I've probably seen the ones posted earlier, is this too hard to realize?

I'm not an "HR type", by the way.

Egor Shipovalov
Monday, February 16, 2004

Hah! From Egor's post, I get a vision of migrant workers sitting on a street corner waiting for a pickup truck to come by and grab a couple for a day's work.

"Those looking for talent" aren't as special as all that, and we poor schmucks who need to work should use all the tricks in the book to get their resume in front of as many eyeballs as possible.

Chris Tavares
Monday, February 16, 2004

Egor, thank all the people who called me.

I figured this trick out during the dotcom boom when data points were plentiful. I posted my resume on Monster, phone rang off the hook. Calls slowly dwindled until one day I happened to update my resume. Phone started ringing again, then slowly dropped off again. Had to edit my resume again, phone started ringing again.

That's when I tried the test - waited until I was down to 2-3 calls a day (oh those were the days), then just opened my resume and put a space in the subject line. Fifteen calls the next day.

Note those were fifteen valid opportunities I wouldn't have otherwise had.

I'm sorry - but if those reviewing resumes insist on their silly "whack-a-mole" methods of pruning the stack, then it's a fair game for those of us seeking jobs to do what *we* can to improve OUR odds.

BTW, I found it amusing that after a few years when I contacted recruiters many of them knew my name. [grin]

Philo

Philo
Monday, February 16, 2004

It's not like recruiters don't post the same ad day after day to job hunting sites. I thin it's only fair game that people do the same with their resume.

Sum Dum Gai
Monday, February 16, 2004

No Talent?

I've had my resume on Monster.com for almost a year now and the last time I got a call after submitting my resume through monster.com, was two months ago. I'm still looking for an entry-level position in software design.

I Programmed in VB 6.0 for one-and-half years (In Zimbabwe), studied Java, C++, VB.NET, C#, ASP.NET, and am working on a personal website using ASP.NET.

What am I missing? Experience?

hiazle
Monday, February 16, 2004

Philo, you're missing the point. I don't doubt it works, as do spam, and cold calls. I'm just a little bit surprised to find such an attitude among the people who frequent this board. You don't seem to have a problem with getting ahead of others purely by cheating. Such a position isn't very common among knowledge work professionals.  Purely out of curiosity, may I ask you what your education, and occupation are?

Sum Dum Gai, you're not competing against recruiters, you're competting against fellow jobseekers whom you're putting at a disadvantage unless they come down to your level and indulge in the same stupidity.

Egor Shipovalov
Monday, February 16, 2004

>you're not competing against recruiters, you're competting against fellow jobseekers whom you're putting at a disadvantage unless they come down to your level and indulge in the same stupidity.

That's probably a fair enough thing to say.
But are you going to be able to get everyone to stop doing it?
This kind of parallels to the outsourcing problem (well not exactly, but kind of), thousands and thousands of people in India willing to work for $4 per hour. Who can convince them to raise their prices so that everyone can compete on a fair level.

Sometimes you have to do what you have to do.

Sad, and I agree it would be better if it weren't nessecary, but who are you going to tell. Philo? The HR people (oh you can bet they are to blame also)? The guys in India?

Aussie Chick
Monday, February 16, 2004

Just out of curiosity, anybody have some relatively solid figures on the number of jobs that were outsourced in the last year?

I'm talking about one person being laid off in the U.S., and one person hired/contracted in India to do the same job.

Would also be nice to see the numbers of jobs out-sourced from California to Michigan, for example.

Is India really that large of a problem?

Nigel
Tuesday, February 17, 2004

Egor, if you think that knowing how a system works and taking advantage of that knowledge to optimize the desired result is a bad way to work, you shouldn't be working software. ;-)

I honestly don't see why you think it's "cheating" - Recruiters look for resumes posted in the last [x] hours because they simply don't want to call a thousand people only to find out they've already got jobs. Think of the "last edited" date as a "I'm currently looking for work" flag.

Is it still wrong to set it every day?

More to the point - people who do that have learned the system and are enthusiastically using it to their advantage - don't you have a preference for those types when you're looking?

If "redundant resumes" bug you that much, petition Monster for a "Seen him" flag that you can set, which means that person won't show up next time you search. Don't whine about those who are looking for work - solve the problem. ;-)

Philo

Philo
Tuesday, February 17, 2004

Re: Outsourcing.

The figure being slung about at the moment is that 1 in 20 US jobs in IT are expected to be outsourced this year. I have no idea as to how accurate that's likely to be.

Re: Spamming of resume

I don't like the idea that you have to do it anymore than anyone else does. However, sometimes when the system is horribly broken, you have no choice but to play along with it. And the job hunting system is horribly broken.

Sum Dum Gai
Tuesday, February 17, 2004

Philo is right.

In the same way employees will search only for jobs posted in the last x days (no point applying for a post that has already been filled), employers will search for resumes that have been updated in the last x days (no point contacting someone who already has a job).

Like Philo is saying, by editing his resume everyday, all he is doing is resetting the "I am still looking" flag that keeps him on potential employers' radars.

I don't see anything wrong with it. If you think it is moronic, then you should find it just as moronic for you to only search through recently updated resumes. While we are at it, you should also find it moronic to readvertise a job that has not been filled, even where the requirements have not changed. It is already on the site right?!?

Tapiwa
Tuesday, February 17, 2004

Egor,

welcome to capitalism! Here people have to compete for their jobs using every legal way available whereever you like it or not.

Philo gave us a great advice, in addition he is smart enough to understand the system and make it work in his advantage.

Let's not talk about "unfair" game here. In some countries people would normally get a job mainly because they "knew the guy". In some countries people used to get jobs because a it was a goverment's policy: everyone had a right to work.

I'd not call Philo a "CV spammer", because by definition he didn't spam.

Vlad Gudim
Tuesday, February 17, 2004

To Egor --

Grow up.  Open your eyes.  Life is NOT FAIR.

What's the rule book?  Does the law says, "Thou shalt not update your resume every day?"  No!

You are no better than the neighbor punk scrub who whines when people use the throw move for Street Fighter II.  The move is there for a reason.  The glitches are there to be used.  If someone pull the Guido handcuff move on me, I'll just move on to the next player.

Is it cheating to network your way into a job, depriving those people on Monster.com of a potential job opening?

Is it cheating to listen in to a chatter about a need for a geek, and have your friend from that company mention you and get the referral bonus?

Neither is it cheating to take advantage of Monster.com's system and normal human behavior.  If you don't like it, get out of the kitchen.

T.J.
Tuesday, February 17, 2004

"it was a goverment's policy: everyone had a right to work."

You say this like it is a bad thing. Is it time for another outsourcing thread yet?


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