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Hi guys

I come from a Mediterranean country in the EU. I was thinking about moving to Ireland to take a graduate degree and find work in the software development world.

Has anyone did something like this? What did you think about it?

Thanks
Mario

Mario
Tuesday, February 10, 2004

Well, I'll be an EU citizen on May 1st :)

If you do, Ireland is certainly the place to go - quickest growing economy in the EU... Try Socrates and Erasmus programs for scholarship info.

Flasher T
Tuesday, February 10, 2004

I am too old for Erasmus, I'll be there doing full time work. Where will you be living in the EU?

Mario
Tuesday, February 10, 2004

I've been to Ireland last year, and the economy was no longer booming like in the 90's. I remember seeing French and Spanish guys seeking IT work without much success.
It may have changed in the past months, though.

Pakter
Tuesday, February 10, 2004

I suppose Flasher T is not moving to another country on May 1st, but he's living in Central Europe, in one of the new EU-members.

GP
Tuesday, February 10, 2004

Things in ireland are certainly growing again, but nowhere near the pace of the 90's. It's slightly better than it was in the last two years, speaking to contractors/full-time alike .. probably will boil down to what your skills are.

jedidjab79
Tuesday, February 10, 2004

I had a distant friend you moved to Dublin and got a very nice IT job with his good skills but despite his lack of degree.

It was 3 years ago, but if he needed to do it again I bet he would.

Renaud Martinon
Wednesday, February 11, 2004

Things are picking up over here again. Depends what your speciality is. That said I would try to arrange work before you come over. The economy isn't expected to grow as quickly as it did in the last decade.

When you say "graduate degree" do you really mean a "post-graduate" degree, i.e. for a graduate, someone who has already got a (primary undergraduate) degree? Have you identified a particular institution to study at? I'm assuming you're planning to work during the day and do the degree in the evenings?

MugsGame
Wednesday, February 11, 2004

Exactly. Working during the day and study during the night. I heard things are tough back there, but they're tougher here where I come from. Way much tougher: I got 5 proposals from several outsourcing companies (outsourcing as outsourcing to the client site, not to another country) and all of them were for the same project.

Damn!

Maybe things might pick up a bit there.

Mario
Wednesday, February 11, 2004

Hi,

Here in the UK things are slowly picking up but I would wait another 6 months before trying. Nevertheless, take a look at www.jobserve.co.uk (they also advertise jobs in Ireland). Beware that many of the posted jobs do not exist at all.

Cheers
BD

BD
Wednesday, February 11, 2004

B.D., why do you think the state of the economy in the UK has much of a bearing on the state of the economy in Ireland? It would be more pertinent to mention what the state of the economy in Italy is, since at least Ireland shares a currency, a central bank, and monetary policy with Italy.

Moreover, searching for a job in Ireland on jobserve.co.uk is about as useful as searching for a job in Italy on jobserve.co.uk.

Breandán Dalton
Thursday, February 12, 2004

Ireland is no longer the European IT powerhouse it was in terms of jobs. If you don't arrange anything before you go over then be prepared to maybe be looking for a software development job for a few months before you find one.

You could find one straight away but they are not so common unless you have good experience. Things are improving though and as an Irish person I heartily recommend my country, it's cool :o)

Me, I followed the outsourcing trend and moved to India ;oP

IrishInIndia
Friday, February 13, 2004

IrishInIndia, could you please post an email address so we could discuss things in private?

Mario
Friday, February 13, 2004

I'm Irish and I can confirm that there are a lot of IT workers here looking for work.  Many companies have laid off staff in the last few years and despite news reports to the contrary, there's a lot of slack to be picked up in terms of idle staff.

John
Saturday, February 14, 2004

Oops, sorry Mario, don't check the forums so regularly :o/

IrishInIndia
Sunday, February 15, 2004

I've got a proposal to do a Masters degree in Ireland, but will only go with my girl, so we are looking into getting her a work visa/permit. I'll be getting a student visa and a stipend from the university, so we will have a breath of cashflow for the start.

Does anyone know what is the current chance to get it for her? Can she get the visa/permit when we are there? Otherwise it would probably be hard to search for a job from abroad.

Baruch
Monday, February 16, 2004

Where are you coming from? If you two are from the European Union you should have no problem whatsoever. You're entitled to live, work and play in any country of the EU as if you were a national of that country.

RH
Monday, February 16, 2004

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