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Linkable URLs, the good the bad the ugly.

Hello,

In case Joel is listening I would like to propose getting the linkable URL functionality back to this forum, at lesast for local thread links.

I would say they are helpful, and helps minimizing the repetitive topics...I saw in the other thread someone saying that this change was due to Google Page Rank.

Anyone with me on this one? :-)

Patrik
Monday, October 27, 2003

>JoS has a good google PageRank (tm) and there are >people that want to profit from that PR, linking to their >sites.

This is what I meant; I dont see how keeping local thread links as being links would go against this :-)

Patrik
Monday, October 27, 2003

> This is what I meant; I dont see how keeping local
> thread links as being links would go against this :-)

I love it when people quote the article directly above them when they reply to it. I'm tempted to do it to, but resist the temtation when it's the article directly above the one I'm reading.

What bugs me is when a thread gets to be 70 or more posts long... After a day or so I look at it again and have no idea where I'm supposed to pick up, so just go and read the last post or two. I'm tempted to post to threads I'm following just so I can search for my "Full name:" to see where I left off.

www.MarkTAW.com
Monday, October 27, 2003

This thread has a PageRank of 4.  Not high at all.

Amour Tan
Monday, October 27, 2003

Then let's all link to it from our respective sites. Then link back to our sites in it. I think just mentioning a url in a page, not linked, has some effect on page rank.

www.MarkTAW.com
Monday, October 27, 2003

This removing of links because of Joel's fear of giving his precious page rank to other sites looks like a bad thing to me.

Joel hit the users of the forum, for a very little benefit. :-( :-( :-(

I'm considering stopping reading and posting on this forum because of this.

BTW.. the MyIE2 browser has a nice feature - select a text link which is not clickable, drag and drop it anyware on the page, and it shall open a new page for that URL.

Anyway, the fact that we can't use links on the JoS forum SUXX very, very much.

Jericho
Monday, October 27, 2003

is Joel removing the linking *for pagerank* just a rumour?

I am sure that Joel is the kind of guy to consider using meta-tags to stop the googlebot from using the links in his pages to weight things, even if google still indexes his site.

i like i
Monday, October 27, 2003

As far as I know it is a rumour, but it also means that you can't use long URLs any more - they just get trucated (see the 'List of Software Tools' thread for an example).  You have to view the source to get the full URL (at least on IE6).  I can fully understand Joel wanting to discourage spam on the board like this, but maybe it could be done by checking for the Google User-Agent or with Meta tags instead if that really is the reason?

R1ch
Monday, October 27, 2003

Rich

Since I posted that long URL - even though it was truncated when displayed it still is (was) clickable and you can still copy the full link without viewing the source.

DJ
Monday, October 27, 2003

I doubt this has anything to do with Google's pagerank, and I doubt it's a bug.  I think Joel just disabled it while he's at PDC. I'm sure he could maintain it remotely, but who wants to do that while on vacation? (er, I mean at a conference).

Remember when Joel moved offices, and Fogcreek wasn't maintaining the  forum for a few days?  All kinds of spam postings cropped up.  Disabling the link feature is a powerful dissuasion for those folks.

Nick
Monday, October 27, 2003

I simply cannot believe that someone who's shown the business acumen that Joel has would have a "while I'm out of town I'll just leave the business on autopilot" attitude.

Philo

Philo
Monday, October 27, 2003

Has anyone noticed the rate at which valid threads by notable users are getting nuked?  This is getting nuts.  Seems the omnipotent moderator is making quick work of his own forum.

nuke fest...
Monday, October 27, 2003

Yup - the link fiasco may have killed what was a good forum

bye...

going down....
Monday, October 27, 2003

The problem is there is a conflict of interest between running a software company and an open forum for developers and users.  You don't want people making negative comments about your products, but at the same time that is difficult to do that w/out seeming like a dictator.

C++ <fan>
Monday, October 27, 2003

"A user model is well defined when the program model conforms to the user model"

Page 8, User Interface Design for Programmers

Jason Watts
Tuesday, October 28, 2003

Philo, this forum isn't his business, but it is probably a major source of marketing. Besides, your recent deleted post proves that someone is minding the store.

C++<fan>, it's typicaly not disparaging comments about his product that get deleted (I'd still love to know what Philo said that was removed, Philo, maybe you can email me?). It's discussion of "the wizard behind the curtain."

Jason, practically ever since there was a web, URL's have been "clickable" in many applications. Making them clickable here seems like a good UI choice, as you point out.

i like i, http://discuss.fogcreek.com/robots.txt *doesn't* exist. Why should robot concious meta tags?

etc.

www.MarkTAW.com
Tuesday, October 28, 2003

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