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Anyone else get hatemail from this board?

I generated some doozies from one of the resume threads. Nothing worth quoting, just "go f*** yourself BB" type illiterate drooling stuff from Yahoo email addys.  You know, the kind of clueless people who don't use professional email domains.

I feel like I'm moving up in the world when I generate that much bile and anger.  I must have said something that really pissed some people off.  It must have been true, too.

Move over, Joel.

Bored Bystander
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

Hey, what's wrong with not using professional email domains?

First Joel, then you, hmmm

i like i
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

professional email domains -> greater chance of accountability

SC
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

Accountability on whose part?

Steppenwolf
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

Kind of like putting a public phone number as your main contact point.

How's that for a bad analogy? ;-)

Nigel
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

Maybe you have to change your name now - you're not a bystander any more... :)

sgf
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

I say 15 minutes. What say you?

Indian Developer in India
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

You guys ain't seen nothin'.

I get email like this gem:

---------------
Spolsky, you're an arogant idiot.
But after all, I can't blame you.
Looking at your background - you've lived in US, where the whole population is arogant and you're jew that thinks he's better than everybody else and wonders why people don't like jews.

Me, I'd kick your fat ass, but that's just me...
----------------

Joel Spolsky
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

Don't you still live (work)  in the US of A? I really like your approach towards bringing together geographically local coders. Where are you now?

Indian Developer in India
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

I really don't understand this, "anit-free-webmail" stuff.

I've had countless ISP's over the last 8 years (move around, better deal on service  and instead of switching email addresses every time I started using hotmail.

When I was in high school my Dad was constantly shopping for cheaper ISPs (back in the dial-up days). He's just recently gone from a cable modem to DSL, so he had to change email addresses. If he had one of those hotmail/yahoo ones he would not have had to make sure everyone he knew had his new email address.

When I was in college, I moved into different apartments every year. I had different dial-up ISP's and broadband providers with almost every move (more for the broadband, Time Warner/Comcast/apartment complex's LAN).... I would have had a different email address every year if I hadn't of used hotmail. And that would have been a pain in the butt!

As far as people not using their work email address to send resumes ... a lot of people (my self included) would not feel comfortable using their work account for applying to other companies.

For a lot of people using 1 of the hotmail/yahoo style email addresses is better than dealing with there ISP's, school's, or work's email systems.

I wouldn't fault someone for having an @yahoo or @hotmail email!!! You guys are reading into it to much!!!

Michael Sica (michaelsica.com)
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

Well, I guess I could see some clueless HR type thinking 'hotmail.com' was some kinda porn site, and 'yahoo.com' might not exactly inspire confidence.

As for me, I have a yahoo.com email address, so sue me. A couple of nice features: you can set up email filters, block email addresses and entire domains, email attachments can be scanned for viruses. I suppose hotmail.com offers the same, and such features will be standard for all free email systems, if they aren't already.

I wouldn't get a hotmail account, only because anything MS seems to be a target for hackers, script kiddies, etc.

Steppenwolf
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

Besides which, it's possible to get a non-free @yahoo email account. (Say, if you pay for extra storage or POP services.)

Martha
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

That's weird, I only get solicitations from women through this board.

John Holmes
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

Well Bored Bystander, be prepared to recieve more hatemail,

this time from the I-don't-use-professional-email department. Now you're really moving up!!

Just kidding!! :)

T-90
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

You use your actual email address when posting? HELLO. Can you say address harvester? Prolly have a hard time finding the hate mail in all the spam.

trollbooth
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

Oh sorry I see its form based now. I will give you a stay of execution only redeemable before Feb 15th. Thank you for your time.

trollbooth
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

I also figured Hotmail dosent radiate credability so I got my self an adress from Crapmail.com.

About getting hatemail.. Ive neither sent or recieved any, but from time to time I get sucked into flamewars. But when things start to get personal I get this distinct (all too familiar) feeling of "wtf am I doing with my life". All in all, its hard for me to muster the energy to write a decent hateful response. For all I know the other dude is a 90 year old lady from Pakistan and spending even 5 minutes on composing a message in order to hurt their feelings is such a waste.

I expect most people feel the same way.

I guess my point is.. wtf motivates those who write such emails? I mean, Joel is probably not the only one the fellow he mentions disagrees with. Does he google for people with opinions he doesnt like or something?
[/rant]

Eric DeBois
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

Michael Sica is dead on.

When I moved an hour and a half away, I didn't have a house lined up, so I was going to stay with a friend until I bought one.  I had to disconnect my apartment's cable, and was planning to get broadband (from the same provider) in my new house, roughly a month later.

Calling them on the phone, they said they WOULD NOT keep my e-mail account active once I cancelled the broadband service.  I offered to pay them just to keep the e-mail going.  No dice.  They gave me some B.S. about a disconnect being a disconnect, and it couldn't be done.

That's when I got a yahoo address.  Though I have the broadband still, the only thing I'll use that e-mail for is storage for excessively large attachments that coming into my yahoo account.

If you don't think it's "professional," that's up to you.

Dignified
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

Any of the email discussion hardly applies to this thread, but just get a domain name (mydomain.com) and have all the email redirected to wherever you want.  The service is usually free w/ all of your major domain providers.  Then you can change your actual email address all the time, yet no one is any wiser to it, as they always send to me@mydomain.com.  Simple, and not a generic email address (someguy@hotmail.com), yet I could use the generic email address if I wanted to (though the free ads tacked onto the bottom look bad).

Elephant
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

This came up in Philo's thread requesting that people give real email addresses when they post.  A few of us mentioned getting hate mail from here.  It's a little disappointing that these things happen even with a forum like this where you might expect a little higher quality of people but I figure if someone cares enough to send an anonymous, profanity laced email then I must've said something good enough to get noticed. 

I haven't got any from real addresses -- yahoo or not.  Usually it's something clever like f@u.com.

SomeBody
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

I just picked up my own domain name because I saw what happens when you change the ISP.  But then, I've got the "When I was your age" stories about the Internet worthy of an 80 year old grandpa.

And I don't leave an email address.  On purpose.  So I've probably driven at least 40% of this board up the wall yet given them no way to privately flame me. 

Flamebait Sr.
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

Replying to a couple of posts.

"I guess my point is.. wtf motivates those who write such emails? I mean, Joel is probably not the only one the fellow he mentions disagrees with."

These emails are courtesy of the haters -- they're people who feel that any belief other than their own must be squelched before it sways anyone's opinion, and because they lack a convincing (or even semi-credible) argument, or perhaps the ability to intelligently convey the same, they instead attempt personal attacks to fight the person rather than the position. These people are generally highly polarized, and need just one thing they disagree with to hate a person (in the capacity as a peer, a politician, etc): They can never accept that each person is a complex mix of beliefs which may only partly overlap their own.

To brutally paraphrase a classic saying, their belief is "I may disagree with what you say, and I'll fight to the death against your right to say it". While of a different sort of speech-hater, I once had a gentlemen email me, very upset, after reading a post I'd put on my personal site (it was about the merits of some aspects of code standards) -- he insisted that it isn't fair that I'd put this page up given that he disagreed with me, and at the very least I should post his rebuttal at the bottom of it.

"I wouldn't fault someone for having an @yahoo or @hotmail email!!! You guys are reading into it to much!!!"

I agree with the position regarding not tying yourself to an ISP. By the same token I also don't tie myself to employer email addys except in correlation with that position. Instead I've had my own domain, with email service, for about 5 years now, and it has worked wonderfully. There are also lots of pay, professional email services that don't tack ads on the bottom of every email, often with more professional domains.

Dennis Forbes
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

Ok, I was trolling.

Yes, only an inexperienced user relies on their ISP's email address.  Nothing the matter in theory with Hotmail or Yahoo email, except that the sent messages carry advertising text.

However, a personal opinion: what self respecting computer techie would limit themselves to the SPAMarama and lame web clients of most free email services? My Hotmail account is almost unusable due to incoming SPAM; the only reason I go in every 4 months and reactivate it is because Microsoft's solution provider network has the account registered to my name. IMO, big corporate email gateways like AOL and Hotmail practically scream "end user".

And I *ALWAYS* have problems emailing people with AOL accounts, especially end users; end users are great for clearing out the 200+ Nigerian business offers and boob enlargements when they sign in, and wind up deleting "real" messages too. AOL users actually get and read one's message about 30% of the time, unless they are dead accurate in harvesting SPAM, in my experience.

I personally prefer using my unique personal domain for email. (registered in MY name, and not any ISP's.) If you have an email setup that allows any email received at the domain to be forwarded to you, you can hand out new unique email addresses as needed for signing up to mailing lists, resumes, etc. and you then have the opportunity to block any alias that is being abused.

Bored Bystander
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

Congratulations Bored on your notoriety. Joel, you have my sympathies.

Sometimes people go too far. I used to post with my email address and got a fair amount of hate mail from different boards, but the turning point was when I acquired my own 'net stalker'. This guy looked up my address, made sure I knew he knew, found out details about my family and made threatening remarks such as "Do not be surprised when they find your whole family dead from a 'suicide'." The detectives say that that particular one is not a specific enough threat  to get a restraining order. I now filter all his email straight to the trash, but he continues on, contacting business associates and friends of mine and telling them bizarre and intricate fabrications about me, which has cost me professionally.

It doesn't pay to use your real email address on these boards. There are some real kooks out there.

Dennis Atkins
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

I had a net stalker once. It was weird. I just re-stalked him, by figuring out who he really was by a combination of posting times, IP address harvesting, etc, and re-stalked him. It was weird, but kind of fun.


Tuesday, January 27, 2004

Dennis, I agree. Yeah, using your own domain name is an identity risk because the info is public knowledge via whois.

No way in *hell* would I use any personally identifiable information in a public post on JOS unless the topic was completely vanilla and inoffensive. The email forwarding system at JOS is a great tool because it protects everyone.  I leave a live email link on my posts because I am genuinely interested to read any responses. Whether I would reply is a different matter.

Sometimes people on the net can absolutely hate your guts and target you just because you appear to be successful, or even simply accomplished. It's happened to me but not to the extent you've experienced it.

Bored Bystander
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

>"I wouldn't fault someone for having an @yahoo or @hotmail email!!! You guys are reading into it to much!!!"

Well said, what was with all that freemail garbage? I think they all missed BoredBystanders point.

I also get a bit of hate mail. It is disappointing, my thoughts are along the lines of "If you really believe in what you are saying, then post it to the forum along with everyone else"....

It isn't nice to get stuff like that, but then in reality when someone sends a "go f* yourself" email (yes I have had that one too), really, they are clearly not the type of person who really belongs in a forum like this.
I like this forum, lots of good intelligent people, so I figure for the most part it was none of them, just some immature boy getting his jollies, and will soon grow tired and go somewhere else.

Disappointing though, I mean when you think you are conversing with intelligent people, and along comes the few who think the best ever response is to send you a private, and anonymous email saying 'go f* yourself'....

Aussie Chick
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

Ahh, here's a good one. 

AussieChick, stuff like this just tells you that you're saying something that makes someone else think.  Maybe too much.

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To: "Bored Bystander"
Subject: Anyone else get hatemail from this board?
From: "BB is an arrogant SOB" <bb@bbsucks.yahoo>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:02:29 -0500

you are an accomplished person? get a life loser!



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Bored Bystander
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

Free webmail addresses are great. 

I get about 60-150 spam messages a day on what used to be my primary mail account @ school.  Now I use a yahoo account to fill in all of my web identity profiles.  It's called (and I feel free to post it) lally_spam_box@yahoo.com.  I actually read it, but I expect it to be full of spam, and those who I actually want to talk to get a real email address (I'm a .mac whore).

Oddly enough, I get almost no spam on the yahoo account.  I think it's because I have the word _spam_ in the name, and harvesters just try to strip it out :-)

H. Lally Singh
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

I don't see the point in leaving your email address. The only reason I can see to email someone is because your response would be innappropriate to post on these boards.

Personally, I'd rather not receive those sorts of replies, hence no email for me. ;)

Sum Dum Gai
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

I like being able to email someone.

Maybe something you said really hit a note and you would enjoy a long private discussion of it (without having to put up with peopl being writing off-topic input).

Maybe something they have said makes you realise that they may have something to say about another subject.

Heck maybe you have just read so many of their posts that you consider their opinion valuable and want to be able to ask them something.

Personally I appreciate it whenever someone emails me (with senseable stuff), it means I have said something interesting enough that they are willing to shake off anonymity, and that is appreciated.

Aussie Chick
Tuesday, January 27, 2004

-----" The email forwarding system at JOS is a great tool because it protects everyone. "-----

Only if the SENDER of the email remembers to give a false email address.

I actually know your name, church and the radio host  your pastor likes from the last email you sent me.

Stephen Jones
Saturday, January 31, 2004

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