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Joel Ripoff?

As reported on /. there is this new article:

http://www.neilgunton.com/rewrites_harmful/

Doesn't cite Joel but is very much in his spirit ... only very bad IMHO. It certainly reads like a clumsy ripoff.

Sebastian Wagner
Thursday, January 15, 2004

astonishing though it seems, an idea can be thought of and written about by more than one person without being a 'ripoff'

best not to think of Joel as 'the font of all knowledge', try thinking about him as just this guy, you know?

FullNameRequired
Thursday, January 15, 2004

he also took a long bike ride

http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/

apw
Thursday, January 15, 2004

FullNameRequired=GagHalfrond?

www.MarkTAW.com
Thursday, January 15, 2004

maybe its Joels double :) is he festive in nature?

shame hes going to know who it was from the IP
Thursday, January 15, 2004

"FullNameRequired=GagHalfrond?"

huh?

FullNameRequired
Thursday, January 15, 2004

http://www.nmt.edu/~kscott/hhgg/episode-09.html

Gag Halfrunt: "Zaphod's just this guy you know."

www.MarkTAW.com
Thursday, January 15, 2004

"just this guy, you know?" sounds a lot like a quote from a certain novel that MarkTAW thought you might be referencing.  I wondered the same thing.  :-)

John Rose
Thursday, January 15, 2004

I _was_ referencing it.

<g> but obviously Im a lesser level geek than you two, I had no idea what that characters name was.  (actually I was having trouble remembering which book of the series it came from, but I think Ive got that now)

it was zaphods head shrinker, talking to the media and earlier on talking to that big ugly alien in the ship, right?

(ie, he said that more than once IIRC)

FullNameRequired
Thursday, January 15, 2004

Most of the things Joel has written about were used, known or written about long before Joel wrote about them.  For example, we have always used a daily build process.

Think of Joel as "that guy who has a knack for writing interesting commentary about software development."  His programmers paradise ads call him a "software development guru."  As if programming guru's didn't exist before.

Basically Joel's established a great marketing campaign for his products.  Would he write articles if it weren't for his benefit?  Nope.  In fact he now writes for Programmers Paradise.  Of course there's more to the deal there than just marketing but i'm sure both sides benefit.  You scratch my back I'll scratch yours.

It's marketing.  It attracts people.  People are the key to the bottom line.  The bottom line is money. 

I personally don't go crazy over Joel's products.  His articles are ok.  They're fun to read but don't take them as the final word.


Thursday, January 15, 2004

Well, I think of Joel when I read "don't rewrite".

Sebastian Wagner
Thursday, January 15, 2004

"Well, I think of Joel when I read "don't rewrite".

<shrug> of course you do, so do many others.  Luckily that doesn't prohibit me, or you, or anyone else from participating in the debate outselves.

FullNameRequired
Thursday, January 15, 2004

You people have got to be kidding me.

A lot of Joel's most popular articles are decades-old software engineering concepts.  They're like essays you had to write in class.

That doesn't take anything away from Joel, but it makes me realize I've been ascribing a higher talent level to the discuss.fogcreek posters.

the real ted
Thursday, January 15, 2004

"A lot of Joel's most popular articles are decades-old software engineering concepts.  They're like essays you had to write in class."

<shrug> whats your point?

FullNameRequired
Thursday, January 15, 2004

==><shrug> whats your point?

The point is that it's not a "ripoff".

Sgt. Sausage
Thursday, January 15, 2004

<looking at you like you're a moron>

While I enjoy Joel's articles, there's nothing particularly NEW in them.  Joel is not the first one to write about doing code rewrites, or to take the stand that you shouldn't do them.  Hence, that guy isn't ripping Joel off.

the real ted
Thursday, January 15, 2004

Sorry Sgt.,

I'm not looking at YOU like you're a moron.

the real ted
Thursday, January 15, 2004

"<looking at you like you're a moron>
Hence, that guy isn't ripping Joel off."

Im a moron? because I think that guy is ripping Joel off? 

<g> your reading comprehension isn't _good_ is it?

FullNameRequired
Thursday, January 15, 2004

No Damnit!  I'm looking at you like that because you didn't get my obvious point!

the real ted
Thursday, January 15, 2004

Calm down children, the emperor is wearing clothes, even if they are hand-me-down's.

www.MarkTAW.com
Thursday, January 15, 2004

"No Damnit!  I'm looking at you like that because you didn't get my obvious point!"

maybe because it was badly made, incoherently written and about as clear as mud?

first rule of communication....if the receiver doesn't get the message, its the senders fault.

go back to school kid, and learn some manners.

FullNameRequired
Thursday, January 15, 2004

Sorry.  You are right, I'll try not to assume that my readers have the same education (MSCS) and experience (12 yrs) that I do.  :)

I didn't make that point very clear, though Sgt. Sausage managed to pick up on it.

the real ted
Thursday, January 15, 2004

"I'll try not to assume that my readers have the same education (MSCS) and experience (12 yrs) that I do.  :)"

wow, thats genuinely condescending and arrogant, congratulations :)  takes some people years of academia to master that.

Neither my level of education or my experience (neither of which you have any knowledge of) had anything to do with my ability to 'grok' the point your post was trying to make.

<g> some programmers get better with experience and some merely grow more complicated and harder to understand...you are clearly one of the latter group :)

FullNameRequired
Thursday, January 15, 2004

Who's round is it?

Simon Lucy
Thursday, January 15, 2004

Sebastian Wagner,

Didn't you know that we were all poor hapless damsels in software distress until Joel arrived on the scene? 

I am very thankful for his contributions to the software community and benefit very much from his insights.  But that does not mean that he has some lock box on software common sense...

Smitty
Thursday, January 15, 2004

Mercy!!

the real ted
Thursday, January 15, 2004

condescending, arrogant, and now cutesy.

interesting to see how you react under even an incredibly small amount of pressure, you must be a real joy to work with.

gods I prefer to have discussions with _intelligent_ people instead of well-educated ones. 
(ok, ok, its possible to be both and many people are, but theres no doubt that merely being well educated without the intelligence leads to nothing but character flaws)

FullNameRequired
Thursday, January 15, 2004

No, I still believe I'm better, and smarter than you.  I just don't want to waste my time anymore & I thought I would try to make you feel better.

Oh well.

the real ted
Thursday, January 15, 2004

"I still believe I'm better, and smarter than you"

fair enough :)  theres actually a pretty good chance that you are......

FullNameRequired
Thursday, January 15, 2004

ding ding ding.

Is this where some chick comes out wearing next to nothing holding a big white card with a round-number on it?


--a bit bias though, who is this fullnamerequired guy, why is he stealing fullNameNotRequireds' handle? Is he new to this place? He has such angry vibes about him.


ding ding ding...and we are back on again.

Aussie Chick
Friday, January 16, 2004

mmm.....naked geek girl....bright lights glinting off her glassess...long streaky hair curled tightly in a bun...

he he
Friday, January 16, 2004

"Well, I think of Joel when I read "don't rewrite". "

And hopfully not when you're masturbating, Sebastian

He who must goad
Friday, January 16, 2004

Not exactly ;)

I don't quite see why people think I'm a fanboy, I'm not. The one thing I think Joel on Software (though he maybe wasn't the first to say it) is known for it's "Don't Rewrite. Ever."

I also think the article I linked to is very not as well-written. That's it.

Sebastian Wagner
Friday, January 16, 2004

Guess which browser Joel prizes these days :P

Dewd
Friday, January 16, 2004

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