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Mozilla use rising?

spiegel.de is a very famous (if not THE) online news resource in Germany, with daily news online and offspring of one of the oldest and most respected magazines in Germany ("Der Spiegel", Time-like).

Today they published a bit of info:

http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/technologie/0,1518,262355,00.html
(German)

They analyzed 125 million logs of theirs and found that in mid august 2003 IE had a share of only 83,8 %, while Netscape/Mozilla users came as 15,1 %. The rest 1,1 % where exotic browsers like Opera or Apple browsers.

Now, while IE still has a strong majority, it's still much less than I would have guessed. That's not quite the 95% market share that some surveys came up with. spiegel.de isn't some obscure geeks-only site, too, so that's what's really interesting I think.

spiegel.de noted that the Netscape-based browser share has constantly risen since the first 1.0 Mozilla release to the high value it has this summer.

Sebastian Wagner
Friday, August 22, 2003

Browser market-share is very hard to measure.    It varies heavily depending on the site's content.  LinuxWorld will have a much higher % of Mozilla users than WindowsUpdate.

Google seems to be one of the best source for browser statistics though.

http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html

Myron A. Semack
Friday, August 22, 2003

I have my mozilla firebird user-agent set to IE; probably not much of a glitch that though

i like i
Friday, August 22, 2003

What you have to remember is that (and I am generalising) the attitude to Microsoft in Germany is pretty anti, and fairly pro Open Source software. Still, I would like to see some stats from the BBC's site, maybe something from a non-techie site in France, and see how things compare.

Shh! You know who!
Friday, August 22, 2003

You can try it sort of with NedStat

http://www.nedstatbasic.net/s?country=FR&tab=4&link=3&category=0&lang=EN

Select your country, pick an OS neutral, country specific  site, click the graph button next to it, and then from the lefthand menu pick "with what" (or its reginal language variant)

Mozilla is always somewhere around 1.7%

Just me (Sir to you)
Friday, August 22, 2003

I recall seeing somewhere that Germany had the highest per capita number of free software developers.  So while the 15% sounds like there's something wrong with their methodology, it's not surprising for Germany to see the highest percentages for Moz.

I am waiting for someone to point out how evil free Moz is a threat to the "software ecology"... except of course Microsoft released their own browser for free to help kill a company, no?  So the flames are reserved for Linux and the like.

anonymous
Friday, August 22, 2003

Eh forget that last part of my post, I don't want to start a pointless flamewar.

anonymous
Friday, August 22, 2003

Sebastian,
everyone here in Germany who reads SPIEGEL and happens to know some American newspapers is aware of the fact that SPIEGEL ONLINE has become one of the most anti-American news services in Germany, and no, they cannot be compared to the Times (NYTimes?), it's more like USA Today gone Fox, but in the other direction. So please, don't believe everything they write.
Anyway, Mozilla Classic/Firebird is still a marvelous piece of software, and I do hope it will evolve in the near future.

Johnny Bravo
Friday, August 22, 2003

Anti-american? How so? What has that to do with not believing anything they say about their logs?

Sebastian Wagner
Friday, August 22, 2003

Not NYTimes, Times Magazine, and I still hold up that they are the most respected investigative magazine in Germany.

I don't think they are anti-american in any way. Sure, they are critical, but not geared towards the US but anything. The latest magazine had a nice article about the very bad shape our Army for example. Uh, better stop, this is not the subject here...

Sebastian Wagner
Friday, August 22, 2003

You know the proverb: "Traue keiner Statistik, die du nicht selbst gefälscht hast." / "Don't believe in any statistic you did not forge yourself."

Anyway, feel free to continue reading that magazine.

Johnny Bravo
Friday, August 22, 2003

Puely unscientific observation. Most of the people in my "one hop" are using Mozilla/Firebird. Most of the bloggers that I read use Mozilla/Firebird (and Safari).

This was not true at the 1.0 release.

Here's just one good reason to use Mozilla/Firebird:
http://mycroft.mozdev.org/

fool for python
Friday, August 22, 2003

Yes, 4 people were using it in 2002.  Now, 7 people are.  User base up almost 75%

Bella Toughlove (Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Blaster Worm)
Saturday, August 23, 2003

and those 7 people Rock!

well 7 outside of Germany anyway (bablefished):
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fnetzwelt%2Ftechnologie%2F0%2C1518%2C262355%2C00.html&lp=de_en&tt=url

fool for python
Monday, August 25, 2003

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