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movie "hackers"

Im sorta a newbie when it comes to programming.  I know a bit of html and a good deal of perl, and im learning vlog right now.  But anyways, what did you all think of this movie? Im not by any means a hacker to trying to be 1, im just curious if the stuff in the movie is realistic or not?

and also, after i become sufficient in perl and vlog, what is a language that is very useful to know.  I've heard java and c are good. what are the differences between the two.  Are they difficult to learn??

thanks,
joe

Joemcyntier
Tuesday, June 24, 2003

The movie was completely unrealistic.

In other news, being a cop is nothing like "Lethal Weapon".

Mister Fancypants
Tuesday, June 24, 2003

Nothing like the movies... not that I'm a hacker, but c'mon hollywood makes everything more glamorous.

Though Trinity did use a real "hack" in The Matrix reloaded and it's the first time anyone in a movie ever did such a thing.

I think when you learn Perl, the next language will suggest itself - if it doesn't you should ask then.

If you're really interested in "hacking," you should check out your local 2600 chapter. The meaning of the word "hacker" has many meanings, some of them are very hotly debated.

www.MarkTAW.com
Tuesday, June 24, 2003

... anyone in a major movie. I'm sure there's some student film out there where all the tech geek stuff is totally accurate.

www.MarkTAW.com
Tuesday, June 24, 2003

Well at least they got the sort of personality, notion of social engineering, and such right in Sneakers, even if they didn't do incredibly good at making things realistic.

Flamebait Sr.
Tuesday, June 24, 2003

The movie was good eye candy and had an ok soundtrack. The only realistic scene was when they pulled out the different colored books. That's about it.

S. Gwizdak
Tuesday, June 24, 2003

Java would be a good language to learn. It's used fairly widely in industry, and you can leverage what you learn to do other interesting stuff like JSP web pages.

But then, if you want to see a cool language learn Python.

Darren Collins
Tuesday, June 24, 2003

Actually, depending on where you work, Hackers may be absolutely realistic.  There's definitely a certain element of hard-edged macho programmers who push the limits, and are fairly extreme in their attitudes and behavior -- and also wear funky, hacker-looking clothing.

It's fair to say that that movie is an accurate representation of what your life is like, if you're contemplating a life in programming.

People here will deny it, since most of these folks work in banks or on fairly run of the mill projects.

I am one of those types of programmers depicted in Hackers -- it sure beats working as a programmer for a bank.

programmer
Tuesday, June 24, 2003

Uh huh.

Say hi to Angelina for me the next time you two are hacking a Gibson.

Mister Fancypants
Tuesday, June 24, 2003

"Actually, depending on where you work, Hackers may be absolutely realistic."

For example, I understand the Fog Creek offices routinely work standing on top of the Empire State Building hacked into the phone box...

Philo

Philo
Tuesday, June 24, 2003

Oh yeah that's absolutely true. Angelina also works there.

www.MarkTAW.com
Tuesday, June 24, 2003

The movie to watch is "Office Space"

Prakash S
Tuesday, June 24, 2003

No no, Hackers is much more accurate than Office Space. And everyone looks like in the movies, your friends are just uglier than average.

www.MarkTAW.com
Tuesday, June 24, 2003

Read "Masters of Deception: The Gang That Ruled Cyberspace" by Michelle Slatalla and Joshua Quittner.

I also hear good things about the Cuckoo's Egg.

www.MarkTAW.com
Tuesday, June 24, 2003

I hate movies about computers. They drive me nuts because I just know to much to be sucked into the story.

I walked out of Hackers within 5 minutes of it starting. As soon as the "large text with voice" came out of "mystic cyberspace" and "took control" I knew I was going to hate it.

This is the *only* movie I have every walked out on, and I saw Lenard Part 6.

Marc
Tuesday, June 24, 2003

I was just kidding in my post up above.  My life in no way resembles "Hackers."

The "Office Space" comparison is right on target.  My last job was frighteningly similar to that -- I mean, right down to the boss who would repeat the phrase, "Yeah, well ..." and right down to the socially incompetent guy who got shunted off to a basement ....

Speaking of "Hackers," here is Justin Hall's take on the "Hackers" sartorial aesthetic:

http://www.links.net/vita/swat/course/every/wear/

programmer
Wednesday, June 25, 2003

Get this!  At my office we have Hawaiian shirt Friday!  HAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Anon
Wednesday, June 25, 2003

Oh come on now.... I thought The Net and Swordfish were very realistic!

Damian
Wednesday, June 25, 2003

Come on, in "Hacker" they double Angelina's laptop CPU power by typing something on the keyboard.

And they all dress up like ravers and none of them wear glasses, is a little overweigth or has a beard.

We all know ATL programmers wear glasses and have  beards.

Application Specialist
Wednesday, June 25, 2003

"Hackers 2: Operation Takedown" is quite good though, it's about Mitnick and has absolutely nothing to do with "Hackers" - I think people just got used to saying "Hackers 2", it's not official.

"Pirates of Silicon Valley" was lots of fun, too.

Sebastian Wagner
Wednesday, June 25, 2003

The movie Antitrust was actually the first time I started kinda liking Microsoft.  I was so pissed Sun would stoop that low.  Someone else agreed when I got him to watch.  (And I made sure not to say my opinion before asking his.)

Though it wasn't insanely bad technically, and Seymour Cray's car "accident" makes me think of Intel...

sammy
Wednesday, June 25, 2003

Antitrust...

Why, Tim Robbins, why?

I can live with the anti-Microsoft stuff, though I think it is misguided, but man that was a horrible, horrible movie!

Mister Fancypants
Wednesday, June 25, 2003

Oh yeah the mitnick movie. I missed that when it was in theaters. I should rent that.

www.MarkTAW.com
Wednesday, June 25, 2003

Check out startup.com or that netscape movie for documentaries about the insides of software companies. Both of those companies were completely borked process-wise, and that seems about normal in the industry, so those two movies should be good examples of many other real world companies.

Office Space is just awesome though. From Michael Bolton lip-syncing ganster rap to the printer rampage... man that movie just cracks me up.

dmooney
Wednesday, June 25, 2003

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