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Who Else Is Getting Spammed By Vignette?

Heh.

I open my eMail today to find a marketing email from Vignette, CityDesk's "Big Iron" competitor.

I was perplexed.  My only exposure to conent management software has been right here at JOS.  I've never surfed Vignette's website, never contacted them for info, nothing.  Yet they've identified me as a prospect somehow.

Do they have some sneaky way of getting Joel's mailing list?  Did Joel sell his mailing list?  Is this just a dumb coincidence?

Either way, it was a very clever message and gave me a good chuckle, but I'm not in the market for a content management system.  I'm wondering how they got the impression that I might be.

Am I the only JOS reader getting these eMails?

Norrick
Wednesday, June 04, 2003

I received one today on my corporate e-mali account (which I never give out to websites)

Brad Clarke
Wednesday, June 04, 2003

They didn't get them from us.

Joel Spolsky
Wednesday, June 04, 2003

They got you from Baseline, that magazine that Joel recommended to us.   
No sign of that magazine in my mailbox yet.  Got the spam though.  Great publication.

Ethan Herdrick
Wednesday, June 04, 2003

So is it safe to say this is *not* spam?

I'm so sick of people complaining about spam that isn't spam.

pb
Wednesday, June 04, 2003

They signed up for a magazine. Now they're getting advertisements from vignette... That's spam.

www.MarkTAW.com
Wednesday, June 04, 2003

Oh, please. Baseline is *very* explicit that you are signing up for emails from third parties.

Once again, false labeling of spam is almost as big a problem as spam itself since it gums up spam blocking tools.

pb
Wednesday, June 04, 2003

I've signed up for the e-mail newsletter, but not Baseline.  I don't recall getting that spam, though I don't pay close attention to the "from" field when deleting spam.

Brent P. Newhall
Wednesday, June 04, 2003

in that case, set up an e-mail address that only accepts e-mails from "@baseline.com" or whatever and rejects everything else.

multiple/disposable e-mail addresses is really the way to go when dealing with this kind of thing.

www.MarkTAW.com
Wednesday, June 04, 2003

*smacks self on forehead*

BaseLine!  Of course.  I forgot all about that.

Great magazine, too.  Worth a little spam.

Norrick
Wednesday, June 04, 2003

"Oh, please. Baseline is *very* explicit that you are signing up for emails from third parties."

I dont care how explicit they are.

If *I* give a company an email address, then any email I receive from them is not spam.
If that company gains my email address from _any_ other source and uses it to send me crapola then that is spam.

Just because I forget to check a box (or uncheck it), remove a note or jump through other hoops does _not_ mean I am interested in reading email from any other source...if I was, Id give them my email address myself.

FullNameRequired
Wednesday, June 04, 2003

Yeah. Personal responsibility is *hard*.

Adam Fitzpatrick
Thursday, June 05, 2003

I forgot about Baseline... I wonder why I never got it. I sure signed up....

Of course, I once started getting an InfoWorld subscription 3 years after and subscribed to it so....

Marc
Thursday, June 05, 2003

Even though I disagree, I give respectable companies like Baseline and Vignette the benfit of the doubt. These companies are *not* the problem.

pb
Thursday, June 05, 2003

"Yeah. Personal responsibility is *hard*. "

its not about personal responsibility.

So long as companies are going out of their way to trick me into ok'ing the selling of my email address, they will succeed in doing so. 
Whether its a checkbox at the bottom of a web page, the automatic resetting of defaults to 'yes' (microsoft is famous for that) or any one of a thousand other possibilities I cannot stop them.

Currently I solve this by never trusting any company on the internet with my real email...wherever possible I make one up, if I cannot I use either my junk email (our.junk@mydomain.com) or something like spamgourmet depending on how much I trust them and whether I am even faintly interested in further emailings from them.

But thats really not much of a solution...far better for me to be able to trust companies with my email, but that will not happen until they stop going out of their way to get me to allow them to sell the bedamned thing,

FullNameRequired
Thursday, June 05, 2003

I presume you go outside wearing a mask in case someone recognises you as well.

Simon Lucy
Thursday, June 05, 2003

huh?

FullNameRequired
Thursday, June 05, 2003

OK, maybe that was a little harsh. But there's a huge difference between companies selling mailing lists without permission, and not paying attention when you sign up for things. There's no excuse not to choose the "don't sell my email address please" box when it's right there in front of you, and if there isn't one you should check their privacy policy.

Adam Fitzpatrick
Thursday, June 05, 2003

"There's no excuse not to choose the "don't sell my email address please" box when it's right there in front of you, and if there isn't one you should check their privacy policy. "

....and if they dont have a privacy policy I should email their CEO, and if he doesn't answer I should....

where does it stop?

its _not_ my job to ask the company not to sell my email.  Its the companies job not to want to sell it.
Look at it this way.....how often, when you give your email to a company on the web, do you _want_ them to sell it to everyone they can?

never.  not once. 

And yet somehow we have become used to the idea that if we dont kill ourselves trying to protect our privacy its _our_ fault if that privacy is attacked.

FullNameRequired
Thursday, June 05, 2003

My Yahoo address is being spammed for the first time in five years. It puzzles me as I scarcely ever use ti or give it outon the Internet.

The strange thing is that instead of being spammed with 419's or Viagra all I get are almos daily messages about buying septic tanks!

Stephen Jones
Thursday, June 05, 2003

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