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Hi all,

I don't know if this is the best place, but I need to vent. I've spent the last 11 hours trying to figure something out, with almost all the time spent on the MSDN website.

Am I just stupid, or browser-impaired, or going blind, or is it possible that the font that the MSDN folks use is the worst possible font (and size) that could possibly be used, other than wingbats? It's just unreadable.  I guess I'm just confused, since surely millions use that site regularly, and I can't be the only one having this problem.

Anyone have any advice for fixing the problem locally?

N Cook
Wednesday, February 26, 2003

I forgot to mention, I meant the font used for the in-line code samples.

N Cook
Wednesday, February 26, 2003

While we are complaining, what happened to Andale Mono?? It's no longer a free downloadable font!  It used to be my favorite font for code. 

Nick B.
Wednesday, February 26, 2003

Yes, I did mean 'wingdings' instead of 'wingbats'. I told you my brain was fried ;-)

Funny how code fonts are so important. Drives me up the wall when my guys show me something in proportionate fonts. Maybe my fuse is just too short, eh? ;-)

N Cook
Wednesday, February 26, 2003

Perhaps you might find them here:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/corefonts/

Nat Ersoz
Wednesday, February 26, 2003

The EULA on my Andale Mono installer says it can be redistributed. Should I put it on a web site?

Troy King
Thursday, February 27, 2003

Andale mono rocks.

Why?  Because you can tell the difference between an f'ing "O" and a "0" easily.

Mike
Thursday, February 27, 2003

And an ell and a one, and brackets and braces, and so on. It is an excellent programmer's font.

Troy King
Thursday, February 27, 2003

I don't remember major problems with MSDN fonts.

But many computer people care about how to write. Knuth wrote his own typesetting system, and Dijkstra was famous for his use of the fountain pen.

Or maybe they're just two unusual cases.

mb
Thursday, February 27, 2003

Oh yeah, how to fix it locally. Use the CSS stuff... I don't know the details, but I believe Opera and/or Mozilla and/or IE let you add your own CSS. Figure out the class of the code samples and add your own font settings and use important! or something with the selector.

In IE, the place to look is Tools: Options: Acessibility.

mb
Thursday, February 27, 2003

Triple post, yeah!
Here's what to do:
Look at the source to find the class. For example, I went to the "Using Window Classes" example from the CreateWindow API. It looks like the code example uses class clsCode along with some autohilite something (presumably jscript? it's kind of cool, I didn't investigate.)

Then create your file, let's say override.css. Put in the following:

.clsCode
{
    background-color: blue !important;
    font-family: "lucida console" !important;
}

Then in tools:options:accessibility, say "Format Documents using my style sheet", and point it to override.css. Suddenly the code sample will have an unreadable blue background and be in the Lucide Console typeface.

mb
Thursday, February 27, 2003

Andale was distributed with IE 4 as Monotype originally and its  'probably' still distributable in that form.

Simon Lucy
Thursday, February 27, 2003

I found a copy at http://www.zeuscat.com/andrew/software/corefonts

I have no idea whether this breaches any licence.

Simon Lucy
Thursday, February 27, 2003

I tried to use a "cleaner" font like Verdana in my IDE but I found that a Serif font like Courier is simply easier to read at smaller sizes

Ian Stallings
Thursday, February 27, 2003

Simon.  That web font pack...  MS retroactively changed the policy.  They got pissed the Linux users were downloading it to get decent fonts on their linux boxes.

Kind of funny.  Here is the MS page that used to have them.

http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fontpack/default.htm

Mike
Thursday, February 27, 2003

Try this: http://www.tobias-jung.de/seekingprofont/.

pUnk
Thursday, February 27, 2003

You can also map the font in the registry from one to another.  I use Lucida Console for the source listings.

http://www.ProfessionalFonts.com/foundry/catalog.htm?font=Lucida_Console

Mike Peterson
Wednesday, September 24, 2003

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