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Hosting web-site on dial-up?

I live out in the 'country.'  Where the best connection I get is 38.4k. 

Is it possible for me to host a website on a server at my home?  I don't think my web-site would have an abundance of hits so I think it might be feasible. How would that work since my IP changes everytime I connect to the net.  Also how would I go about obtaining a 'web address' (www.something.com) and how would that get referred to my sight.  Please excuse my ignorance, I am not up to speed on this stuff.  If someone could explain or offer any help that would be appreciated.

Dumb as a Rock
Thursday, February 06, 2003

"How would that work since my IP changes everytime I connect to the net.  "

I don't think you need a static IP to host a website, not sure though.

"Also how would I go about obtaining a 'web address' (www.something.com) "

http://www.networksolutions.com/

http://www.netandhost.com/

& many more

Prakash S
Thursday, February 06, 2003

There are so many cheap web-hosting services out there that, IMHO, it doesn't make sense to try to do this on a dial up (or even most DSL/Cable lines). I started with a $5/month host but moved to a $7.77/month host because I needed more disk space.

Actually, one of the main reasons I started with the first web host was to get my own domain so I wouldn't have to worry about changing my email address when I changed ISPs...

jeff
Thursday, February 06, 2003

>>I don't think you need a static IP to host a website, not sure though.

No, but you do if you want your domain name to connect to it...

OTOH, there is http://dyndns.org/ which allows you to host servers on dynamic IP's (via redirection).

jeff
Thursday, February 06, 2003

"OTOH, there is http://dyndns.org/ which allows you to host servers on dynamic IP's (via redirection). "

- i was thinking on those lines, thanks jeff.

Prakash S
Thursday, February 06, 2003

Dont do "home-hosting" on a 38.4k line.  Your potential clients/visitors are going to be madder than bees. Check out "colo" as Joel reffered to it if you are going to have anyting more intresting than your vaccation photos online.

Devil's advocate
Thursday, February 06, 2003

http://dyndns.org/  as mentioned before. At that site you will registered for a domain such as: http://sonyisexpensive.dyndns.org.. and download a software tool for your computer.

Whenever you log on to your computer PPP will assign you a dynamic IP address, the tool downloaded from dyndns.org will inform dyndns that they need to tell the world that everyone who wants to go to http://sonyisexpensive.dyndns.org will have to try your needly assigned ip addresses or they will get no where. From then on your only responsibility is to ensure you are connected all the time to the net over the PPP connection.

You can access the web server you install on the same computer you are running the webbrowser by accessing the hostname of "localhost". This should automatically work for Windows 2000 and better or most UNIX-like operating systems.

The book, "Learning TCP/IP", from "O'Reilly and Associates" can help you explain a lot of background info behind these ideas.

I don't think anyone here would seriously advice you to keep using a time-outable PPP connection for web serving, but there are some freaks here. If you insist on using this technique, try to download a shareware tool that will somehow keep your connection up or redial upon hang-ups.

Li-fan Chen
Thursday, February 06, 2003

Your best bet is to spend USD$10-50/monthly for a Unix or Windows 2000 web account where you get at least 50 megs of storage with the possibility of using MySQL or SQL Server. These services are much more available and makes developing these webpages easier. You might as well do this because 38.4k baud will be swamped and you can't use the connection for surfing. That effectively means you either 1) buy another modem/phone line/isp account just to surf because your webserver is swapped on the other connection or 2) use a web hosting service to avoid the whole problem and enjoy T1 or more serving speeds (128Kbps to potentially 1024Kbps for free)

Li-fan Chen
Thursday, February 06, 2003

There are also some free hosts, such as http://www.freeservers.com
only cost is a small banner ad, pretty innoffensive.

mike wright
Thursday, February 06, 2003

There are web hosts that claim that they will host content under your own domain for under $10/mo - some for $5/month. Many hosts offer a lower rate if you prepay for 1 year in advance.

At this price level you probably won't get CGI or shell access, but at least your site would be up 100% of the time.

Aside from the quality of service that you'll (not) see with a dial up and a computer that must always be on and connected to the net, the $5/mo is probably less than the electricity that an always-on box would consume.

Don Wallace
Thursday, February 06, 2003

>>At this price level you probably won't get CGI or shell access, but at least your site would be up 100% of the time.

Actually, my first host (the $5/mo one) offers great service and shell access via SSH and full CGI. 50Mb storage, 6Gb transfer/month and a whole bunch of email accounts.

My current host ($7.77/mo) has great service and full CGI access, but no shell (which isn't a big deal). 500Mb storage, 30Gb/mo transfer and 250 email account.

At this price, you should know what you're doing - the hosting company can't afford to hold your hand as you learn how to put a site together.

jeff
Thursday, February 06, 2003

I use http://dynamicdns.constanttime.com

Pretty good service and fast updates. An issue with a lot of these providers is what they set their TTL's to. I also got my domain name from them.

Tyler Soltis
Thursday, February 06, 2003

Don't even think about hosting your site at home through dial-up. It would cost you more than getting a cheap host because your telephone line would be tied up 24/7. Just get free or cheap hosting from someone like freeservers.com or hypermart.net.

pb
Thursday, February 06, 2003

http://www.connecticut-web.com/unix.shtml has accounts starting at $12 A YEAR ... full CGI, PHP, database, etc.

Only 10MB, but unless you are image heavy that can go surprisingly far.

I have used them for a couple of accounts for over a year now and no complaints whatsoever (and am not affiliated in any other way).

Just another dude
Thursday, February 06, 2003

http://www.5dollarhosting.com/

These guys are ok...and obviously super-cheap.

GiorgioG
Thursday, February 06, 2003

Ok.  Let me see if I got this straight.

1.  I have to buy the rights to a domain name for a certain period of time.
2.  The folks I buy these rights from will enter this domain name in a DNS database.
3.  This DNS database then associates my domain name with an IP Address.
4.  Some of the folks that sell certain domain name rights also have a system whereby they can dynamically change the IP address that is associated with the domain name that I chose.  This allows for hosting a website on a PPP connection in which my IP address changes everytime I connect.

Do any of these online web-hosting places offer facilities where i can run things like ASP, VBScript, Windows type stuff or are they all UNIX PHP, MySql, CGI type deals?

Dumb as a Rock
Thursday, February 06, 2003

www.brinkster.com offers free web hostingand allows ASP (VB- or JScript) , ASP.Net, and even the ability to hit Access databases from the site.  Their free service gives you a domain (something like xyz.brinkster30.com). 

I think you need to use their pay service to point your own domain to them, but that gives you 25 email accounts, SQL Server, a library of COM components (not too many, but a few) and some .Net Asseblies.  A premium account is $15 or $17 a month.

Jeffrey MacDonald
Thursday, February 06, 2003

In response to: "Do any of these online web-hosting places offer facilities where i can run things like ASP, VBScript, Windows type stuff or are they all UNIX PHP, MySql, CGI type deals?"

There are plenty of both kinds. Most online webhosts tend to charge a slight more for a Microsoft-technology friendly account. Because serving your webpages using Windows 2000 boxes results in server licensing fees they must pay for the entire web hosting operation. I don't think you have to pay double, just maybe 20% to 30% more for the same capabilities. Anyone can recommend a few good ones?

Li-fan Chen
Friday, February 07, 2003

i've never had a problem with http://adaptive.net/pricing.asp - i've used them for a number of small websites i've created for clients.  a buddy of mine is a reseller for these guys, and gets an amazing deal on sites.  if you're interested in this, send me an email.  i'll send you more information.

nathan
Friday, February 07, 2003

"Dumb as a rock" needs more fundamental help than being pointed at a plethora of inexpensive web hosts. Look at his last reply.

Does anyone have a link to a decent beginner's overview of how domain registration, DNS, and web hosts fit together? I don't have the time to write something up and I figure that someone's already done better than I could.

Bored Bystander
Friday, February 07, 2003

Try these

http://www.helpwithhosting.com/beginners_guide/
http://www.hostsearch.com/article14.asp
http://www.hostindex.com/guide2.shtm
http://www.createafreewebsite.net/web_hosting.html

from Google

Geo
Friday, February 07, 2003

Google link

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=beginner%27s+guide+domain+registration+web+hosting&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

Geo
Friday, February 07, 2003

http://www.dslwebserver.com has many useful tutorials and tips about that topic.

Dieter
Monday, February 10, 2003

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