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S-Q-L or SeQueL? I know I'm a nit-picking, pedantic S.O.B., but is the proper term not "S-Q-L" (three separate, individual letters)?
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Just me (Sir to you)
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jedidjab79
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Grumpy Old-Timer
In my home country, we used to pronounce three separate letters: S-Q-L. However, here in US I hear people saying something like 'Sequel'.
Djido
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marcus
It's S-Q-L.
JP
S-Q-L, thank you very much.
Gigi Duru - cel mai tare din parcare!
It's whatever people want to call it, and it's folly to 'correct' people for personal nuances like that, especially when probably 95% of people call it "sequel". Arguing against it sounds like Slashdot and its continual campaign to reform the word "hacker".
Dennis Forbes
It's Del-fee, not Del-thigh. Sorry, reminds me of an endless debate that was always raging on one of Borland's Delphi newsgroups!
John Topley (www.johntopley.com)
I pronounce it as S-Q-L, but I know some people pronounce it as sequel. (which I don't particularily like).
Shlomi Fish
Sequel is faster to say, i don't have a moment to waste!
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S-Q-L all the way...
DJ
S-Q-L
anon2
As another poster mentioned, a predecessor (though not ancestor) to SQL was an IBM project called Structured English Query Language, otherwise called sequel. Later they ratified SQL, and _at_the_time_ they had a great need to differentiate them, hence a big pedantry about the pronounciation. However in the year 2003, is there really a lot of confusion about whether you're talking about SEQL or SQL if you say Sequel? I find the link between the current pronounciation and the original IBM project to be tenuous regardless - How ELSE does one "wordicize" the acronym SQL? Sqwill? Acronyms virtually always get sounded out (is it N-A-T-O, or NATO? N-O-R-A-D or Norad? People prefer to say words), and sequel seems like an obvious pronounciation of SQL.
Dennis Forbes
S-Q-L. If an initialism doesn't have any vowels, it's not really an acronym, and therefore doesn't get pronounced as a word. (Unless you're Welsh, maybe.)
Martha
a) S-Q-L
Nick
Not all acronimes get "wordized". How about ATM??
DJ
I pronounce it "sequel" (it's easier), but if someone around me says S-Q-L, my brain is sophisticated enough to handle the concept that a word can be pronounced either one of two ways.
Alyosha`
Sequel
GenX'er
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Philo
And the fact that this thread quickly gathered 20 responses pretty much sums up what most people think of programmers:
Ashamed
I store Gwids in the Sequel Server.
Brad Wilson (dotnetguy.techieswithcats.com)
Line-x, or Lyn-ux? :-)
Geo
Exactly Nick! I do the exact same thing to let my PHB know whether I am talking about S-Q-L code or the Sequel server.
shiggins
I'm trying to figure out a situation where either it wasn't painfully obvious whether you were talking about a language or a server, or it just didn't matter.
Philo
I write software for a manufacturing company. I am the only computer literate person within 10 miles. I was debugging some code once and the PHB asked what I was doing. I tried to explain the code and he asked if we neede to call IBM. We have an IBM server.
shiggins
the above shoud say "if we needed". Oops.
shiggins
the above should say "the above should say". I'm going home, we'll try again tomorrow.
shiggins
Yes, I know the officially sanctioned pronunciation is S-Q-L. That said, I almost always say "SeQueL" because it's fewer syllables and in most contexts there's no ambiguity. I won't deride anyone who prefers the precise approach and extra syllable, I just opt for brevity myself.
John C.
How about UNIX -- I hope you all say U-N-I-X lest we think that you're talking about the participants at a GPL convention. (Cue rimshot after needless troll flame of GPL advocates).
Dennis Forbes
A) S-Q-L
Yanwoo
>>How ELSE does one "wordicize" the acronym SQL? Sqwill?
Jeff MacDonald
b)
pb
Either
Li-fan Chen
you guys are serious dorks.
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We actually call it SQueaL Swerver <grin>
Sgt. Sausage
I seem to remember some Oracle docs from way back (10+ years ago) that had "SQL (pronounced sequel)" in it.
dude
Also:
Benji Smith
a
Andrew Burton
b) Sequel.
S-Q-L
Phil McKraken
I tend to say Sequel Server for the product and SQL for the language but then that's me.
Simon Lucy
Either is fine, but I'm lazy (go figure) and usually say "sequal" since it's slides off the tongue easier ;)
HumanCompiler (Erik Porter)
A. Its not a word, its an acronym.
Or even, "it's not a word, it's an acronym".
John Topley (www.johntopley.com)
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aku beg
Yeah, I know, I always forget what the rules for apostrophes with "it" are, so I just omit the apostrophes completely in such cases.
We always called it SQuirreL
David Clayworth
A) S-Q-L
Kevin G. Bayless
a. pronounce it S-Q-L
charles hill
If anyone cares I believe that in general acronyms are pronounced as individual letters when there are three or fewer letters and as words for four or more letters. Of course there are exceptions.
Kris Mahc
With regards to MySQL, I always tend to pronounce it my sequel -- it's much easier, takes much less time, and there really is no need to differentiate between different SQL-compatible servers -- just like you don't call Microsoft's C++ "c plus plus" and Borland's C++ Builder "c add add". As far as the user's concerned, both are interfaces using the same base language, and pronounciation doesn't really matter. After all, it could be pronounced another way in another country.
Sequel to SQL
A Mr. P Kirk thinks its pronounced SQL therefore the correct pronunciation must be Sequel.
Not P Kirk
Mr not P Kirk, I know who you are, so stop surfing the Interweb and get back to work. A S A P (or should that be asap, one word???)
Mr not P Kirks Boss
My 4 ha'pennies: I say "sequel" just because the 10 milliseconds and 0.2 calories I save add up to a lot over the course of the day. I then inevitably end up wasting the savings reading through (and participating in) drivel like this. FWIW, I've never had to explain what "sequel" was because someone in the conversation always calls it "S-Q-L". However, I do agree that "SQuerL" would be an equally lazy-ass, though accurate pronunciation, no? -- I'd use it. Hmm, though some Asians wouldn't be able to pronounce it (you know, "Fried rice, you plick!"). That's it for me, thank-you-good-night!
Sushi
For the record, if it's not pronouceable (e.g., ATM), it's an abbreviation. If it can be pronounced (e.g., NATO), it's an acronym.
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S-Q-L. It's not SeQuel. It sucks to hear someone say Sequel. Hmmm....I could also agree with SQuerL. SeQuel just bothers me.
SeQuel Hater
its sql.... there is a language called sequel, those of you who pretend its sequel are refering to a language you don't know how to program in.
Ridry
you sad bastards!!!!
EV
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SQL is truest - SQueaL would be OK, but SeQueL is plain wrong...
wattro
i am uneducation...
wattro
egads...I'm suffering from TMA (Too Many Acronyms - and I don't think *that* can be pronounced either)
Ken
I believe the term sequel originated from an Asian programmer who found it too difficult to say S-Q-L. I was amazed to see this slang/swear word infect everything globally.
Marc D.
I can't believe this thread has gone on for a year!!
ladymuck
It's S-Q-L; 'nuff said.
I_hate_Microsoft.
SQL !!!!!!!
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