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Really need a multi user CD - but one that works over TCP/IP - NOT the LAN.

Any plans for such?

As it is I have to maintain everything myself, or split everything up into tiny smaller disconnected sites. :(

Chad Hower
Sunday, September 07, 2003

Chad :re "multi user CD - but one that works over TCP/IP - NOT the LAN."

CD "is" multi-user and your users can do it over a LAN whose primary protocol is TCP/IP.

And if one wants to LAN over the Internet [WLAN] you can do that as well using VPN over TCP/IP. What you need to do is hire a network professional who can advise you on how to do this properly.

This link provides some info:
http://www.fogcreek.com/CityDesk/kb/howto/MultipleUsersOverInternet.html

David Mozer
Sunday, September 07, 2003

Thats a cop out. :)

Unless you have serious bandwidth, it is totally impractical. TCP/IP not of LAN speed, but of dial up.

Chad Hower
Monday, September 08, 2003

Chad, not a copout in anyway shape or form

Sure there are lots of people out there still using dial-up connections and YES you can do TCP/IP wide area networking and its true that THAT type of WAN is not a good thing for sharing resources -- but if no other means can be afforded you've got to accept what you've been handed. Today, high-speed [reasonable bandwidth] via cable or xDSL is not that expensive [$40/month] and under normal circumstances reliable and its true that you need to have the persistent cash-flow to afford it. :-)

BTW, I am a network [LAN WAN & WLAN] specialist amongst other hats that I ware from time to time.

David Mozer
Monday, September 08, 2003

It IS a cop out. It even mentions "use remote control software".

By that definition ANY software is usable on TCP/IP.

As far as DSL - even running a mapped drive over that will be very slow and not very usable.

I have a 40MB connection, but the rest of our team does not. And I often travel.

Until CD supports this ITSELF, it does not support it and relying on "really fast connections" or remote control software is not a feature.

I could fax screenshots back and forth too - but that does not make it multi user.

Chad Z. Hower
Tuesday, September 09, 2003

Chad, remote control software is one of a number of options.

I have used XP's Remote desktop and XP's PPTP & L2/TP VPN over xDSL and Cable and have had very satisfactory results .. in the USA and Canada ... spanning thousands of miles ... i.e Seattle and New York, Vancouver and Dallas Fort-Worth, Nepean Ontario and San Francisco .. just a small example.

Yes it can be a PITA if you WAN connections are not stable and very specifically if you refuse to accept the limitations that are inherent to limited bandwidth. Bandwidth, just yet,  is not free on the WAN and very specifically on the Internet.

I do not clearly understand what it is that CD does not support … perhaps you can articulate in clear terms of reference what it is that you’re after.

David Mozer
Tuesday, September 09, 2003

If you or your team are not a Windows XP user the following link provides the Remote desktop client software for Windows 95, Windows 98 and 98 Second Edition, Windows Me, Windows NT® 4.0, or Windows 2000.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/rdclientdl.asp

And How-to articles http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/howto/gomobile/remotedesktop/default.asp

IMO, this is a very good solution for people working on the road wanting to access their stuff ... like CD.

I do highly recommend that an *experienced* MCSE should do the configuration specifically for Connecting to Multiple Remote Desktops on Your Private Network -- because there are tricks that allows you to make all of your Remote Desktops available from the Internet using just a single Internet IP address.

David Mozer
Tuesday, September 09, 2003

Im more than capable of using remote control software. But thats not the point. Its a total hack.

By using RC software, you can call ANY software multi user. RC software also requires that you STAY online during edit and all.

Why dont we just add FTPing CD files around from a server as a "multi user feature".

CD is not multi user over anything but LAN. The other solutions are hacks at BEST and do not replace or supplant the need or feature.

I can have 4 people RC into a machine and all edit in notepad. That does not make it multi user.

Chad Z. Hower
Wednesday, September 10, 2003

There's a page somewhere on the citydesk site that mentions future plans.  A feature which enables multiple users accessing from distant places was mentioned there as slated for CD3 due out at the end of 2003.

Adam M
Friday, September 26, 2003

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